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Is this an example of a Neapolitan chord?

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The chord that goes on the fourth and fifth bars of my attachment above looks like a Neapolitan chord. (The C at the end of the fifth bar as a passing tone) In fact, the chord progression appears as if it is I - N - V⁶ in C major. (C - D♭ - G/B) Am I right?

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  Where are you getting the G/B? I see the B....
  
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  Although it is only written with Bs, it is G/B chord.
  
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  How do you know that? That is my question. What comes next?
  
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  Thanks for the link! For other viewers, that link is the Liszt piano transcription of Beethoven's Symphony No. 3 in E Flat Major "Eroica", and this excerpt is of the funeral march movement's transition from the trio back to the minor-key outer march section.
  
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The chord that goes on the fourth and fifth bars of my attachment above looks like a Neapolitan chord. (The C at the end of the fifth bar as a passing tone) In fact, the chord progression appears as if it is I - N - V⁶ in C major. (C - D♭ - G/B) Am I right?

chords chord-progressions

share|improve this question

asked 14 hours ago

Maika SakuranomiyaMaika Sakuranomiya

6711325

• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Where are you getting the G/B? I see the B....
  
  – David Bowling
  13 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Although it is only written with Bs, it is G/B chord.
  
  – Maika Sakuranomiya
  13 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  How do you know that? That is my question. What comes next?
  
  – David Bowling
  13 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Thanks for the link! For other viewers, that link is the Liszt piano transcription of Beethoven's Symphony No. 3 in E Flat Major "Eroica", and this excerpt is of the funeral march movement's transition from the trio back to the minor-key outer march section.
  
  – Dekkadeci
  13 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @MaikaSakuranomiya - No, I mean "outer march"-"trio"-"outer march", with the trio being the "inner march".
  
  – Dekkadeci
  12 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

 | 
show 3 more comments

The chord that goes on the fourth and fifth bars of my attachment above looks like a Neapolitan chord. (The C at the end of the fifth bar as a passing tone) In fact, the chord progression appears as if it is I - N - V⁶ in C major. (C - D♭ - G/B) Am I right?

chords chord-progressions

share|improve this question

asked 14 hours ago

Maika SakuranomiyaMaika Sakuranomiya

6711325

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asked 14 hours ago

Maika SakuranomiyaMaika Sakuranomiya

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Maika SakuranomiyaMaika Sakuranomiya

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Yes, it's a Neapolitan chord. Because of the arpeggio, it's not in the usual position (F-A♭-D♭-F). The last three notes are D♭-C-B which is a common melodic figure over a N6-V transition.

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ttwttw

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  Thanks, ttw! It's an effect of the return of the mournful mood in order to move back to the opening march theme.
  
  – Maika Sakuranomiya
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I'd say yes: Beethoven is kind of on the nose here and outlines a D flat major chord in the 5th bar of the excerpt. It's followed by dominant-function leading tones. Right after that and outside of the excerpt, G's play, and then the rest of the piece continues with C minor chord figurations. Sounds like a Neapolitan chord that properly resolves to me.

Interpretation ambiguity can still reign, though: the 3rd and 4th bars of that excerpt can easily be interpreted as outlining an F minor chord, IMO, as long as you ditch the E in the third bar early in.

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Yes, it's a Neapolitan chord. Because of the arpeggio, it's not in the usual position (F-A♭-D♭-F). The last three notes are D♭-C-B which is a common melodic figure over a N6-V transition.

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edited 5 hours ago

Glorfindel

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answered 12 hours ago

ttwttw

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• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Thanks, ttw! It's an effect of the return of the mournful mood in order to move back to the opening march theme.
  
  – Maika Sakuranomiya
  12 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

4

Yes, it's a Neapolitan chord. Because of the arpeggio, it's not in the usual position (F-A♭-D♭-F). The last three notes are D♭-C-B which is a common melodic figure over a N6-V transition.

share|improve this answer

edited 5 hours ago

Glorfindel

1,30011218

answered 12 hours ago

ttwttw

8,878932

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Thanks, ttw! It's an effect of the return of the mournful mood in order to move back to the opening march theme.
  
  – Maika Sakuranomiya
  12 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

Yes, it's a Neapolitan chord. Because of the arpeggio, it's not in the usual position (F-A♭-D♭-F). The last three notes are D♭-C-B which is a common melodic figure over a N6-V transition.

share|improve this answer

edited 5 hours ago

Glorfindel

1,30011218

answered 12 hours ago

ttwttw

8,878932

share|improve this answer

edited 5 hours ago

Glorfindel

1,30011218

answered 12 hours ago

ttwttw

8,878932

edited 5 hours ago

Glorfindel

1,30011218

edited 5 hours ago

Glorfindel

1,30011218

answered 12 hours ago

ttwttw

8,878932

answered 12 hours ago

ttwttw

8,878932

4

I'd say yes: Beethoven is kind of on the nose here and outlines a D flat major chord in the 5th bar of the excerpt. It's followed by dominant-function leading tones. Right after that and outside of the excerpt, G's play, and then the rest of the piece continues with C minor chord figurations. Sounds like a Neapolitan chord that properly resolves to me.

Interpretation ambiguity can still reign, though: the 3rd and 4th bars of that excerpt can easily be interpreted as outlining an F minor chord, IMO, as long as you ditch the E in the third bar early in.

share|improve this answer

answered 12 hours ago

DekkadeciDekkadeci

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4

I'd say yes: Beethoven is kind of on the nose here and outlines a D flat major chord in the 5th bar of the excerpt. It's followed by dominant-function leading tones. Right after that and outside of the excerpt, G's play, and then the rest of the piece continues with C minor chord figurations. Sounds like a Neapolitan chord that properly resolves to me.

Interpretation ambiguity can still reign, though: the 3rd and 4th bars of that excerpt can easily be interpreted as outlining an F minor chord, IMO, as long as you ditch the E in the third bar early in.

share|improve this answer

answered 12 hours ago

DekkadeciDekkadeci

5,49621420

add a comment | 

I'd say yes: Beethoven is kind of on the nose here and outlines a D flat major chord in the 5th bar of the excerpt. It's followed by dominant-function leading tones. Right after that and outside of the excerpt, G's play, and then the rest of the piece continues with C minor chord figurations. Sounds like a Neapolitan chord that properly resolves to me.

Interpretation ambiguity can still reign, though: the 3rd and 4th bars of that excerpt can easily be interpreted as outlining an F minor chord, IMO, as long as you ditch the E in the third bar early in.

share|improve this answer

answered 12 hours ago

DekkadeciDekkadeci

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share|improve this answer

answered 12 hours ago

DekkadeciDekkadeci

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answered 12 hours ago

DekkadeciDekkadeci

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answered 12 hours ago

DekkadeciDekkadeci

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