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Work requires me to come in early to start computer but wont let me clock in to get paid for it


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The computers at work take around 5-10 minutes to boot up and have all of the necessary applications for my job to be up and ready to use. I work 9am-530pm. But the other day my boss told me to come in 10-15 minutes earlier to make sure that my environment is ready by 9. Which would be fine, but I am not allowed to clock in when I come in early to make sure everything is set up which means I am not getting paid for those 10-15min. They don't leave the computers on and we have to shut them off at the end of the day too. Is this even legal in the state of Ohio, and what would be the most professional way to go about changing this?










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    Did you remind your boss that you're not allowed to clock in early? If so, what was his response?

    – sf02
    1 hour ago






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    Sorry, yes. I am paid hourly.

    – IamAPerson
    1 hour ago






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    "Is this even legal in the state of Ohio" - no.

    – Joe Strazzere
    1 hour ago






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    Note that for many companies, working off the clock is a fireable offense. Double check your employee handbook. The biggest reason this is the case is because your labor board is very, very particular about people getting paid for the work they do.

    – Wayne Werner
    9 mins ago






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    I'd say enable network boot and set up a cron job to ping the computers. But computers that take 15 minutes to boot probably predate network boot by a decade or two...

    – TKK
    6 mins ago

















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The computers at work take around 5-10 minutes to boot up and have all of the necessary applications for my job to be up and ready to use. I work 9am-530pm. But the other day my boss told me to come in 10-15 minutes earlier to make sure that my environment is ready by 9. Which would be fine, but I am not allowed to clock in when I come in early to make sure everything is set up which means I am not getting paid for those 10-15min. They don't leave the computers on and we have to shut them off at the end of the day too. Is this even legal in the state of Ohio, and what would be the most professional way to go about changing this?










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  • 3





    Did you remind your boss that you're not allowed to clock in early? If so, what was his response?

    – sf02
    1 hour ago






  • 1





    Sorry, yes. I am paid hourly.

    – IamAPerson
    1 hour ago






  • 2





    "Is this even legal in the state of Ohio" - no.

    – Joe Strazzere
    1 hour ago






  • 1





    Note that for many companies, working off the clock is a fireable offense. Double check your employee handbook. The biggest reason this is the case is because your labor board is very, very particular about people getting paid for the work they do.

    – Wayne Werner
    9 mins ago






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    I'd say enable network boot and set up a cron job to ping the computers. But computers that take 15 minutes to boot probably predate network boot by a decade or two...

    – TKK
    6 mins ago













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The computers at work take around 5-10 minutes to boot up and have all of the necessary applications for my job to be up and ready to use. I work 9am-530pm. But the other day my boss told me to come in 10-15 minutes earlier to make sure that my environment is ready by 9. Which would be fine, but I am not allowed to clock in when I come in early to make sure everything is set up which means I am not getting paid for those 10-15min. They don't leave the computers on and we have to shut them off at the end of the day too. Is this even legal in the state of Ohio, and what would be the most professional way to go about changing this?










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The computers at work take around 5-10 minutes to boot up and have all of the necessary applications for my job to be up and ready to use. I work 9am-530pm. But the other day my boss told me to come in 10-15 minutes earlier to make sure that my environment is ready by 9. Which would be fine, but I am not allowed to clock in when I come in early to make sure everything is set up which means I am not getting paid for those 10-15min. They don't leave the computers on and we have to shut them off at the end of the day too. Is this even legal in the state of Ohio, and what would be the most professional way to go about changing this?







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  • 3





    Did you remind your boss that you're not allowed to clock in early? If so, what was his response?

    – sf02
    1 hour ago






  • 1





    Sorry, yes. I am paid hourly.

    – IamAPerson
    1 hour ago






  • 2





    "Is this even legal in the state of Ohio" - no.

    – Joe Strazzere
    1 hour ago






  • 1





    Note that for many companies, working off the clock is a fireable offense. Double check your employee handbook. The biggest reason this is the case is because your labor board is very, very particular about people getting paid for the work they do.

    – Wayne Werner
    9 mins ago






  • 1





    I'd say enable network boot and set up a cron job to ping the computers. But computers that take 15 minutes to boot probably predate network boot by a decade or two...

    – TKK
    6 mins ago












  • 3





    Did you remind your boss that you're not allowed to clock in early? If so, what was his response?

    – sf02
    1 hour ago






  • 1





    Sorry, yes. I am paid hourly.

    – IamAPerson
    1 hour ago






  • 2





    "Is this even legal in the state of Ohio" - no.

    – Joe Strazzere
    1 hour ago






  • 1





    Note that for many companies, working off the clock is a fireable offense. Double check your employee handbook. The biggest reason this is the case is because your labor board is very, very particular about people getting paid for the work they do.

    – Wayne Werner
    9 mins ago






  • 1





    I'd say enable network boot and set up a cron job to ping the computers. But computers that take 15 minutes to boot probably predate network boot by a decade or two...

    – TKK
    6 mins ago







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Did you remind your boss that you're not allowed to clock in early? If so, what was his response?

– sf02
1 hour ago





Did you remind your boss that you're not allowed to clock in early? If so, what was his response?

– sf02
1 hour ago




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Sorry, yes. I am paid hourly.

– IamAPerson
1 hour ago





Sorry, yes. I am paid hourly.

– IamAPerson
1 hour ago




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"Is this even legal in the state of Ohio" - no.

– Joe Strazzere
1 hour ago





"Is this even legal in the state of Ohio" - no.

– Joe Strazzere
1 hour ago




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Note that for many companies, working off the clock is a fireable offense. Double check your employee handbook. The biggest reason this is the case is because your labor board is very, very particular about people getting paid for the work they do.

– Wayne Werner
9 mins ago





Note that for many companies, working off the clock is a fireable offense. Double check your employee handbook. The biggest reason this is the case is because your labor board is very, very particular about people getting paid for the work they do.

– Wayne Werner
9 mins ago




1




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I'd say enable network boot and set up a cron job to ping the computers. But computers that take 15 minutes to boot probably predate network boot by a decade or two...

– TKK
6 mins ago





I'd say enable network boot and set up a cron job to ping the computers. But computers that take 15 minutes to boot probably predate network boot by a decade or two...

– TKK
6 mins ago










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Assuming you are paid by the hour...



The most professional way of handling this would be to submit your time card, for the hours you actually are working. Doing anything less is typically breaking the law.



Then, when you get questioned, if it is by a person that's not your boss, simply reply that your boss asked you to come in early to turn on the equipment and make the office ready.



If you get questioned about your time card by your boss, then indicate that while you like your job, it is a job and not a hobby, and you should be paid for the work you do.



If you wish to be more helpful, you might also suggest that you come in early and leave early, with someone else coming in late to turn off the computers late.






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    Yes. If he wants you to come in, he's likely to want it enough to move your shift. If the clock doesn't permit that, just don't fall into the trap of "we'll just let you leave early and I'll punch you out" That's just full of all sorts of stuff that can come back to bite you.

    – Edwin Buck
    1 hour ago






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    I would "play dumb". Act as if it's inconceivable that you'd actually do work while not on the clock. "But, boss....how can I come in to do work if I'm not clocked in?"

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    1 hour ago






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    @IamAPerson Bosses ask for a lot of stuff, but he can't force you to come in early for free. If he threatens your job over this, I'd start with a phone call to the Ohio Labor Board, asking their advice. Note that once you make such a call, you can't unmake it.

    – Edwin Buck
    1 hour ago







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    @Keith - playing dumb this way is a very smart approach.

    – Joe Strazzere
    1 hour ago






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    @JoeStrazzere I think Keith's approach would probably yield the better results too. But again don't try to have this fixed by getting clocked out by someone else Bosses that break rules as fundamental as this one are inclined to break other rules, and being clocked out by someone else makes you liable.

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IANAL
My recollection of FLSA training is that this is clearly now part of your job and as an hourly employee, it is illegal to expect you to perform a task at company request for company benefit and not pay you for your time. Whether that is part of what the boss considers your core function is irrelevant.



The bigger issue is that you presumably want a good relationship with the company. I would not recommend quietly charging time and waiting until it is noticed. Unfortunately, your boss is delusional and in power so you have two battles to fight. Waiting until he notices will only make him angry on top of those issues.




I'm quite willing to do this. We need to understand that though it is outside of my normal duties, it is nonetheless a time consuming duty you are requiring me to perform. Any time spent under specific direction of the company legally has to be counted as time on the job, regardless of the nature of the work.




You can follow with options (leaving earlier, longer lunch or whatever else). Hopefully, your boss will just not have really considered that this is still work, albeit a different form of it. But you need to consider how to respond if he does not see it this way. He's already dictating you work for free. He does not read on the surface as a reasonable person.






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    I would add to the wording something like "and of course we want to follow the law, so how do you want me to charge this?" In other words, indicated, that OF COURSE he wants you to do the right thing, and you're just clarifying the best way to do that.

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Due to hourly pay, every bit of time counts, and those minutes add up over time as I'm sure you're aware.



I would recommend to you that you arrive at 9am and clock in, and wait those precious minutes for your computer to boot up (maybe get IT guys to install SSD's, they're amazing and help boot speeds immensely), and stay an extra 15 or so minutes past 5:30pm and leave later to make up for the lost time at the beginning of the day, so that you are actually paid for the time you are working. In my experience, waiting for computers to "boot" etc. is company time, not your own. So you should be reasonably compensated for this, however, this is under company discretion. Explain why you're staying late to your manager as well, don't leave them out of the loop.



I am also assuming that you can clock out/get paid after 5:30pm. If you are UNABLE to do so, then it looks like you're going to need to find a way to speed up your computer, or get approval from IT to leave your computer on overnight. Good luck.






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  • @HannoverFist OP didn't mention if they were in IT or not, but if so I don't think its relevant.

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Assuming you are paid by the hour...



The most professional way of handling this would be to submit your time card, for the hours you actually are working. Doing anything less is typically breaking the law.



Then, when you get questioned, if it is by a person that's not your boss, simply reply that your boss asked you to come in early to turn on the equipment and make the office ready.



If you get questioned about your time card by your boss, then indicate that while you like your job, it is a job and not a hobby, and you should be paid for the work you do.



If you wish to be more helpful, you might also suggest that you come in early and leave early, with someone else coming in late to turn off the computers late.






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    Yes. If he wants you to come in, he's likely to want it enough to move your shift. If the clock doesn't permit that, just don't fall into the trap of "we'll just let you leave early and I'll punch you out" That's just full of all sorts of stuff that can come back to bite you.

    – Edwin Buck
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    I would "play dumb". Act as if it's inconceivable that you'd actually do work while not on the clock. "But, boss....how can I come in to do work if I'm not clocked in?"

    – Keith
    1 hour ago






  • 1





    @IamAPerson Bosses ask for a lot of stuff, but he can't force you to come in early for free. If he threatens your job over this, I'd start with a phone call to the Ohio Labor Board, asking their advice. Note that once you make such a call, you can't unmake it.

    – Edwin Buck
    1 hour ago







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    @Keith - playing dumb this way is a very smart approach.

    – Joe Strazzere
    1 hour ago






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    @JoeStrazzere I think Keith's approach would probably yield the better results too. But again don't try to have this fixed by getting clocked out by someone else Bosses that break rules as fundamental as this one are inclined to break other rules, and being clocked out by someone else makes you liable.

    – Edwin Buck
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Assuming you are paid by the hour...



The most professional way of handling this would be to submit your time card, for the hours you actually are working. Doing anything less is typically breaking the law.



Then, when you get questioned, if it is by a person that's not your boss, simply reply that your boss asked you to come in early to turn on the equipment and make the office ready.



If you get questioned about your time card by your boss, then indicate that while you like your job, it is a job and not a hobby, and you should be paid for the work you do.



If you wish to be more helpful, you might also suggest that you come in early and leave early, with someone else coming in late to turn off the computers late.






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  • 2





    Yes. If he wants you to come in, he's likely to want it enough to move your shift. If the clock doesn't permit that, just don't fall into the trap of "we'll just let you leave early and I'll punch you out" That's just full of all sorts of stuff that can come back to bite you.

    – Edwin Buck
    1 hour ago






  • 5





    I would "play dumb". Act as if it's inconceivable that you'd actually do work while not on the clock. "But, boss....how can I come in to do work if I'm not clocked in?"

    – Keith
    1 hour ago






  • 1





    @IamAPerson Bosses ask for a lot of stuff, but he can't force you to come in early for free. If he threatens your job over this, I'd start with a phone call to the Ohio Labor Board, asking their advice. Note that once you make such a call, you can't unmake it.

    – Edwin Buck
    1 hour ago







  • 1





    @Keith - playing dumb this way is a very smart approach.

    – Joe Strazzere
    1 hour ago






  • 9





    @JoeStrazzere I think Keith's approach would probably yield the better results too. But again don't try to have this fixed by getting clocked out by someone else Bosses that break rules as fundamental as this one are inclined to break other rules, and being clocked out by someone else makes you liable.

    – Edwin Buck
    1 hour ago













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Assuming you are paid by the hour...



The most professional way of handling this would be to submit your time card, for the hours you actually are working. Doing anything less is typically breaking the law.



Then, when you get questioned, if it is by a person that's not your boss, simply reply that your boss asked you to come in early to turn on the equipment and make the office ready.



If you get questioned about your time card by your boss, then indicate that while you like your job, it is a job and not a hobby, and you should be paid for the work you do.



If you wish to be more helpful, you might also suggest that you come in early and leave early, with someone else coming in late to turn off the computers late.






share|improve this answer













Assuming you are paid by the hour...



The most professional way of handling this would be to submit your time card, for the hours you actually are working. Doing anything less is typically breaking the law.



Then, when you get questioned, if it is by a person that's not your boss, simply reply that your boss asked you to come in early to turn on the equipment and make the office ready.



If you get questioned about your time card by your boss, then indicate that while you like your job, it is a job and not a hobby, and you should be paid for the work you do.



If you wish to be more helpful, you might also suggest that you come in early and leave early, with someone else coming in late to turn off the computers late.







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    Yes. If he wants you to come in, he's likely to want it enough to move your shift. If the clock doesn't permit that, just don't fall into the trap of "we'll just let you leave early and I'll punch you out" That's just full of all sorts of stuff that can come back to bite you.

    – Edwin Buck
    1 hour ago






  • 5





    I would "play dumb". Act as if it's inconceivable that you'd actually do work while not on the clock. "But, boss....how can I come in to do work if I'm not clocked in?"

    – Keith
    1 hour ago






  • 1





    @IamAPerson Bosses ask for a lot of stuff, but he can't force you to come in early for free. If he threatens your job over this, I'd start with a phone call to the Ohio Labor Board, asking their advice. Note that once you make such a call, you can't unmake it.

    – Edwin Buck
    1 hour ago







  • 1





    @Keith - playing dumb this way is a very smart approach.

    – Joe Strazzere
    1 hour ago






  • 9





    @JoeStrazzere I think Keith's approach would probably yield the better results too. But again don't try to have this fixed by getting clocked out by someone else Bosses that break rules as fundamental as this one are inclined to break other rules, and being clocked out by someone else makes you liable.

    – Edwin Buck
    1 hour ago












  • 2





    Yes. If he wants you to come in, he's likely to want it enough to move your shift. If the clock doesn't permit that, just don't fall into the trap of "we'll just let you leave early and I'll punch you out" That's just full of all sorts of stuff that can come back to bite you.

    – Edwin Buck
    1 hour ago






  • 5





    I would "play dumb". Act as if it's inconceivable that you'd actually do work while not on the clock. "But, boss....how can I come in to do work if I'm not clocked in?"

    – Keith
    1 hour ago






  • 1





    @IamAPerson Bosses ask for a lot of stuff, but he can't force you to come in early for free. If he threatens your job over this, I'd start with a phone call to the Ohio Labor Board, asking their advice. Note that once you make such a call, you can't unmake it.

    – Edwin Buck
    1 hour ago







  • 1





    @Keith - playing dumb this way is a very smart approach.

    – Joe Strazzere
    1 hour ago






  • 9





    @JoeStrazzere I think Keith's approach would probably yield the better results too. But again don't try to have this fixed by getting clocked out by someone else Bosses that break rules as fundamental as this one are inclined to break other rules, and being clocked out by someone else makes you liable.

    – Edwin Buck
    1 hour ago







2




2





Yes. If he wants you to come in, he's likely to want it enough to move your shift. If the clock doesn't permit that, just don't fall into the trap of "we'll just let you leave early and I'll punch you out" That's just full of all sorts of stuff that can come back to bite you.

– Edwin Buck
1 hour ago





Yes. If he wants you to come in, he's likely to want it enough to move your shift. If the clock doesn't permit that, just don't fall into the trap of "we'll just let you leave early and I'll punch you out" That's just full of all sorts of stuff that can come back to bite you.

– Edwin Buck
1 hour ago




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I would "play dumb". Act as if it's inconceivable that you'd actually do work while not on the clock. "But, boss....how can I come in to do work if I'm not clocked in?"

– Keith
1 hour ago





I would "play dumb". Act as if it's inconceivable that you'd actually do work while not on the clock. "But, boss....how can I come in to do work if I'm not clocked in?"

– Keith
1 hour ago




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@IamAPerson Bosses ask for a lot of stuff, but he can't force you to come in early for free. If he threatens your job over this, I'd start with a phone call to the Ohio Labor Board, asking their advice. Note that once you make such a call, you can't unmake it.

– Edwin Buck
1 hour ago






@IamAPerson Bosses ask for a lot of stuff, but he can't force you to come in early for free. If he threatens your job over this, I'd start with a phone call to the Ohio Labor Board, asking their advice. Note that once you make such a call, you can't unmake it.

– Edwin Buck
1 hour ago





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@Keith - playing dumb this way is a very smart approach.

– Joe Strazzere
1 hour ago





@Keith - playing dumb this way is a very smart approach.

– Joe Strazzere
1 hour ago




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@JoeStrazzere I think Keith's approach would probably yield the better results too. But again don't try to have this fixed by getting clocked out by someone else Bosses that break rules as fundamental as this one are inclined to break other rules, and being clocked out by someone else makes you liable.

– Edwin Buck
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@JoeStrazzere I think Keith's approach would probably yield the better results too. But again don't try to have this fixed by getting clocked out by someone else Bosses that break rules as fundamental as this one are inclined to break other rules, and being clocked out by someone else makes you liable.

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IANAL
My recollection of FLSA training is that this is clearly now part of your job and as an hourly employee, it is illegal to expect you to perform a task at company request for company benefit and not pay you for your time. Whether that is part of what the boss considers your core function is irrelevant.



The bigger issue is that you presumably want a good relationship with the company. I would not recommend quietly charging time and waiting until it is noticed. Unfortunately, your boss is delusional and in power so you have two battles to fight. Waiting until he notices will only make him angry on top of those issues.




I'm quite willing to do this. We need to understand that though it is outside of my normal duties, it is nonetheless a time consuming duty you are requiring me to perform. Any time spent under specific direction of the company legally has to be counted as time on the job, regardless of the nature of the work.




You can follow with options (leaving earlier, longer lunch or whatever else). Hopefully, your boss will just not have really considered that this is still work, albeit a different form of it. But you need to consider how to respond if he does not see it this way. He's already dictating you work for free. He does not read on the surface as a reasonable person.






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    I would add to the wording something like "and of course we want to follow the law, so how do you want me to charge this?" In other words, indicated, that OF COURSE he wants you to do the right thing, and you're just clarifying the best way to do that.

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IANAL
My recollection of FLSA training is that this is clearly now part of your job and as an hourly employee, it is illegal to expect you to perform a task at company request for company benefit and not pay you for your time. Whether that is part of what the boss considers your core function is irrelevant.



The bigger issue is that you presumably want a good relationship with the company. I would not recommend quietly charging time and waiting until it is noticed. Unfortunately, your boss is delusional and in power so you have two battles to fight. Waiting until he notices will only make him angry on top of those issues.




I'm quite willing to do this. We need to understand that though it is outside of my normal duties, it is nonetheless a time consuming duty you are requiring me to perform. Any time spent under specific direction of the company legally has to be counted as time on the job, regardless of the nature of the work.




You can follow with options (leaving earlier, longer lunch or whatever else). Hopefully, your boss will just not have really considered that this is still work, albeit a different form of it. But you need to consider how to respond if he does not see it this way. He's already dictating you work for free. He does not read on the surface as a reasonable person.






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    I would add to the wording something like "and of course we want to follow the law, so how do you want me to charge this?" In other words, indicated, that OF COURSE he wants you to do the right thing, and you're just clarifying the best way to do that.

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IANAL
My recollection of FLSA training is that this is clearly now part of your job and as an hourly employee, it is illegal to expect you to perform a task at company request for company benefit and not pay you for your time. Whether that is part of what the boss considers your core function is irrelevant.



The bigger issue is that you presumably want a good relationship with the company. I would not recommend quietly charging time and waiting until it is noticed. Unfortunately, your boss is delusional and in power so you have two battles to fight. Waiting until he notices will only make him angry on top of those issues.




I'm quite willing to do this. We need to understand that though it is outside of my normal duties, it is nonetheless a time consuming duty you are requiring me to perform. Any time spent under specific direction of the company legally has to be counted as time on the job, regardless of the nature of the work.




You can follow with options (leaving earlier, longer lunch or whatever else). Hopefully, your boss will just not have really considered that this is still work, albeit a different form of it. But you need to consider how to respond if he does not see it this way. He's already dictating you work for free. He does not read on the surface as a reasonable person.






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IANAL
My recollection of FLSA training is that this is clearly now part of your job and as an hourly employee, it is illegal to expect you to perform a task at company request for company benefit and not pay you for your time. Whether that is part of what the boss considers your core function is irrelevant.



The bigger issue is that you presumably want a good relationship with the company. I would not recommend quietly charging time and waiting until it is noticed. Unfortunately, your boss is delusional and in power so you have two battles to fight. Waiting until he notices will only make him angry on top of those issues.




I'm quite willing to do this. We need to understand that though it is outside of my normal duties, it is nonetheless a time consuming duty you are requiring me to perform. Any time spent under specific direction of the company legally has to be counted as time on the job, regardless of the nature of the work.




You can follow with options (leaving earlier, longer lunch or whatever else). Hopefully, your boss will just not have really considered that this is still work, albeit a different form of it. But you need to consider how to respond if he does not see it this way. He's already dictating you work for free. He does not read on the surface as a reasonable person.







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    I would add to the wording something like "and of course we want to follow the law, so how do you want me to charge this?" In other words, indicated, that OF COURSE he wants you to do the right thing, and you're just clarifying the best way to do that.

    – thursdaysgeek
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  • 3





    I would add to the wording something like "and of course we want to follow the law, so how do you want me to charge this?" In other words, indicated, that OF COURSE he wants you to do the right thing, and you're just clarifying the best way to do that.

    – thursdaysgeek
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I would add to the wording something like "and of course we want to follow the law, so how do you want me to charge this?" In other words, indicated, that OF COURSE he wants you to do the right thing, and you're just clarifying the best way to do that.

– thursdaysgeek
43 mins ago





I would add to the wording something like "and of course we want to follow the law, so how do you want me to charge this?" In other words, indicated, that OF COURSE he wants you to do the right thing, and you're just clarifying the best way to do that.

– thursdaysgeek
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Due to hourly pay, every bit of time counts, and those minutes add up over time as I'm sure you're aware.



I would recommend to you that you arrive at 9am and clock in, and wait those precious minutes for your computer to boot up (maybe get IT guys to install SSD's, they're amazing and help boot speeds immensely), and stay an extra 15 or so minutes past 5:30pm and leave later to make up for the lost time at the beginning of the day, so that you are actually paid for the time you are working. In my experience, waiting for computers to "boot" etc. is company time, not your own. So you should be reasonably compensated for this, however, this is under company discretion. Explain why you're staying late to your manager as well, don't leave them out of the loop.



I am also assuming that you can clock out/get paid after 5:30pm. If you are UNABLE to do so, then it looks like you're going to need to find a way to speed up your computer, or get approval from IT to leave your computer on overnight. Good luck.






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  • @HannoverFist OP didn't mention if they were in IT or not, but if so I don't think its relevant.

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Due to hourly pay, every bit of time counts, and those minutes add up over time as I'm sure you're aware.



I would recommend to you that you arrive at 9am and clock in, and wait those precious minutes for your computer to boot up (maybe get IT guys to install SSD's, they're amazing and help boot speeds immensely), and stay an extra 15 or so minutes past 5:30pm and leave later to make up for the lost time at the beginning of the day, so that you are actually paid for the time you are working. In my experience, waiting for computers to "boot" etc. is company time, not your own. So you should be reasonably compensated for this, however, this is under company discretion. Explain why you're staying late to your manager as well, don't leave them out of the loop.



I am also assuming that you can clock out/get paid after 5:30pm. If you are UNABLE to do so, then it looks like you're going to need to find a way to speed up your computer, or get approval from IT to leave your computer on overnight. Good luck.






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  • @HannoverFist OP didn't mention if they were in IT or not, but if so I don't think its relevant.

    – Rich B
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Due to hourly pay, every bit of time counts, and those minutes add up over time as I'm sure you're aware.



I would recommend to you that you arrive at 9am and clock in, and wait those precious minutes for your computer to boot up (maybe get IT guys to install SSD's, they're amazing and help boot speeds immensely), and stay an extra 15 or so minutes past 5:30pm and leave later to make up for the lost time at the beginning of the day, so that you are actually paid for the time you are working. In my experience, waiting for computers to "boot" etc. is company time, not your own. So you should be reasonably compensated for this, however, this is under company discretion. Explain why you're staying late to your manager as well, don't leave them out of the loop.



I am also assuming that you can clock out/get paid after 5:30pm. If you are UNABLE to do so, then it looks like you're going to need to find a way to speed up your computer, or get approval from IT to leave your computer on overnight. Good luck.






share|improve this answer















Due to hourly pay, every bit of time counts, and those minutes add up over time as I'm sure you're aware.



I would recommend to you that you arrive at 9am and clock in, and wait those precious minutes for your computer to boot up (maybe get IT guys to install SSD's, they're amazing and help boot speeds immensely), and stay an extra 15 or so minutes past 5:30pm and leave later to make up for the lost time at the beginning of the day, so that you are actually paid for the time you are working. In my experience, waiting for computers to "boot" etc. is company time, not your own. So you should be reasonably compensated for this, however, this is under company discretion. Explain why you're staying late to your manager as well, don't leave them out of the loop.



I am also assuming that you can clock out/get paid after 5:30pm. If you are UNABLE to do so, then it looks like you're going to need to find a way to speed up your computer, or get approval from IT to leave your computer on overnight. Good luck.







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  • Don't most IT people clock in on their computer?

    – Hannover Fist
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  • @HannoverFist OP didn't mention if they were in IT or not, but if so I don't think its relevant.

    – Rich B
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  • Don't most IT people clock in on their computer?

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  • @HannoverFist OP didn't mention if they were in IT or not, but if so I don't think its relevant.

    – Rich B
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Don't most IT people clock in on their computer?

– Hannover Fist
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Don't most IT people clock in on their computer?

– Hannover Fist
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@HannoverFist OP didn't mention if they were in IT or not, but if so I don't think its relevant.

– Rich B
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@HannoverFist OP didn't mention if they were in IT or not, but if so I don't think its relevant.

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