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Can a caster that cast polymorph on itself end it at any point even if their Int is low?
The Next CEO of Stack OverflowHow worldly is a polymorphic elf?What is the meaning of 'permanent' in description of True Polymorph?Does a caster under the effect of a True Polymorph spell retain their class levels?How do multiple castings of True Polymorph interact?Can a Druid cast the spell Polymorph on themselves?Are the rules in the DMG for calculating encounter difficulty inaccurate?What happens when a creature that has swallowed another creature is polymorphed?Does Polymorph end spells that only target humanoids?Can Polymorph + Awaken give any creature intelligence and language?Can someone who has been Feebleminded have their Int and Cha scores changed via Polymorph?
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I was playing a moon druid and cast the polymorph spell on myself. Changing me into a T-Rex, causing my Int to become 2 and my Wis 12. I realized my targets had immunity to non-magical damage which is all a trex can do, so I wanted to stop concentration.
I made the check to determine my current form could not affect the creatures but when I stated I stop concentration the DM said that, as a trex, I had too low of Int to realize I had a spell I was concentrating on that was keeping me in this form. So, I was stuck as trex until the HP depleted or the spell ended.
Was my DM correct or can a polymorphed creature still choose to end concentration?
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I was playing a moon druid and cast the polymorph spell on myself. Changing me into a T-Rex, causing my Int to become 2 and my Wis 12. I realized my targets had immunity to non-magical damage which is all a trex can do, so I wanted to stop concentration.
I made the check to determine my current form could not affect the creatures but when I stated I stop concentration the DM said that, as a trex, I had too low of Int to realize I had a spell I was concentrating on that was keeping me in this form. So, I was stuck as trex until the HP depleted or the spell ended.
Was my DM correct or can a polymorphed creature still choose to end concentration?
dnd-5e spells polymorph concentration
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We can definitely answer the "can a polymorphed creature end concentration on a spell", but the "why would the t-rex concentration" is only going to be speculation, and is probably not a good fit for the site.
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3 hours ago
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@DavidCoffron "Why" in this context is not speculative - it is about specific situation when player looses ability to decide for his character, and rules that govern that situation, if any. Lack of "why" in the rules (if that's the case) would be helpful answer, I believe. Am I right, Carl Bozeman? I agree it could be worded a bit better.
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– Mołot
3 hours ago
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Molot is correct that is what I meant but couldn't figure out how to address it.
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– Carl Bozeman
3 hours ago
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@CarlBozeman glad to help. Now we just need someone who can edit this clarification into your question. My English skill is not enough to do it, I'm afraid.
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I was playing a moon druid and cast the polymorph spell on myself. Changing me into a T-Rex, causing my Int to become 2 and my Wis 12. I realized my targets had immunity to non-magical damage which is all a trex can do, so I wanted to stop concentration.
I made the check to determine my current form could not affect the creatures but when I stated I stop concentration the DM said that, as a trex, I had too low of Int to realize I had a spell I was concentrating on that was keeping me in this form. So, I was stuck as trex until the HP depleted or the spell ended.
Was my DM correct or can a polymorphed creature still choose to end concentration?
dnd-5e spells polymorph concentration
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I was playing a moon druid and cast the polymorph spell on myself. Changing me into a T-Rex, causing my Int to become 2 and my Wis 12. I realized my targets had immunity to non-magical damage which is all a trex can do, so I wanted to stop concentration.
I made the check to determine my current form could not affect the creatures but when I stated I stop concentration the DM said that, as a trex, I had too low of Int to realize I had a spell I was concentrating on that was keeping me in this form. So, I was stuck as trex until the HP depleted or the spell ended.
Was my DM correct or can a polymorphed creature still choose to end concentration?
dnd-5e spells polymorph concentration
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Thank you for clarifying the system! You can check out the tour as an introduction to the site and the help center for further guidance. Good luck and happy gaming!
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– Sdjz
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We can definitely answer the "can a polymorphed creature end concentration on a spell", but the "why would the t-rex concentration" is only going to be speculation, and is probably not a good fit for the site.
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@DavidCoffron "Why" in this context is not speculative - it is about specific situation when player looses ability to decide for his character, and rules that govern that situation, if any. Lack of "why" in the rules (if that's the case) would be helpful answer, I believe. Am I right, Carl Bozeman? I agree it could be worded a bit better.
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– Mołot
3 hours ago
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Molot is correct that is what I meant but couldn't figure out how to address it.
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– Carl Bozeman
3 hours ago
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@CarlBozeman glad to help. Now we just need someone who can edit this clarification into your question. My English skill is not enough to do it, I'm afraid.
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Thank you for clarifying the system! You can check out the tour as an introduction to the site and the help center for further guidance. Good luck and happy gaming!
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– Sdjz
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We can definitely answer the "can a polymorphed creature end concentration on a spell", but the "why would the t-rex concentration" is only going to be speculation, and is probably not a good fit for the site.
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– David Coffron
3 hours ago
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@DavidCoffron "Why" in this context is not speculative - it is about specific situation when player looses ability to decide for his character, and rules that govern that situation, if any. Lack of "why" in the rules (if that's the case) would be helpful answer, I believe. Am I right, Carl Bozeman? I agree it could be worded a bit better.
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– Mołot
3 hours ago
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Molot is correct that is what I meant but couldn't figure out how to address it.
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– Carl Bozeman
3 hours ago
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@CarlBozeman glad to help. Now we just need someone who can edit this clarification into your question. My English skill is not enough to do it, I'm afraid.
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– Mołot
3 hours ago
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Thank you for clarifying the system! You can check out the tour as an introduction to the site and the help center for further guidance. Good luck and happy gaming!
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– Sdjz
3 hours ago
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Thank you for clarifying the system! You can check out the tour as an introduction to the site and the help center for further guidance. Good luck and happy gaming!
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– Sdjz
3 hours ago
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We can definitely answer the "can a polymorphed creature end concentration on a spell", but the "why would the t-rex concentration" is only going to be speculation, and is probably not a good fit for the site.
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– David Coffron
3 hours ago
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We can definitely answer the "can a polymorphed creature end concentration on a spell", but the "why would the t-rex concentration" is only going to be speculation, and is probably not a good fit for the site.
$endgroup$
– David Coffron
3 hours ago
1
1
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@DavidCoffron "Why" in this context is not speculative - it is about specific situation when player looses ability to decide for his character, and rules that govern that situation, if any. Lack of "why" in the rules (if that's the case) would be helpful answer, I believe. Am I right, Carl Bozeman? I agree it could be worded a bit better.
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– Mołot
3 hours ago
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@DavidCoffron "Why" in this context is not speculative - it is about specific situation when player looses ability to decide for his character, and rules that govern that situation, if any. Lack of "why" in the rules (if that's the case) would be helpful answer, I believe. Am I right, Carl Bozeman? I agree it could be worded a bit better.
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– Mołot
3 hours ago
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Molot is correct that is what I meant but couldn't figure out how to address it.
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– Carl Bozeman
3 hours ago
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Molot is correct that is what I meant but couldn't figure out how to address it.
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– Carl Bozeman
3 hours ago
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@CarlBozeman glad to help. Now we just need someone who can edit this clarification into your question. My English skill is not enough to do it, I'm afraid.
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– Mołot
3 hours ago
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@CarlBozeman glad to help. Now we just need someone who can edit this clarification into your question. My English skill is not enough to do it, I'm afraid.
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There is no intelligence limit on the rules for concentration.
Nothing in the rules dictate that a creature has to have a sufficiently high intelligence to maintain or drop concentration. In fact, there are examples of extremely low intelligence creatures fully utilizing concentration spells. See the Neothelid in Volo's Guide to Monsters:
INT
3 (-4)
[...]
Innate Spellcasting (Psionics).
[...]
At will: levitate
If the creature, who is not much smarter than a t-rex, is able to use a concentration spell like levitate, there is hardly a reason a t-rex wouldn't be able to use one to full effect as well.
Your DM may be using a houserule.
It is possible that your DM is implementing a houserule where intelligence has more of an impact than in the base game. If this is the case, he is the only one who can answer questions like why a t-rex could/would concentrate on a spell at all.
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RAW implies you can end concentration, but a shaky argument can be made against
According to PHB, concentration is very easy to end.
Concentration
You can end Concentration at any time (no action required).
Additionally, the Polymorph spell states:
[The target] retains its Alignment and personality.
...
The creature is limited in the Actions it can perform by the Nature of its new from, and it can't speak, cast Spells, or take any action that requires hands or Speech.
Nothing here says you can't end Concentration, which seems to be a simple mental activity.
The ONE argument I can see is that the beast couldn't have started Concentration (part of casting the spell), but that would imply the beast can't maintain Concentration either, which would never allow you to successfully Polymorph yourself. If the DM is prohibiting ending Concentration, he/she should prohibit Polymorphing oneself.
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That's what I was thinking
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– Carl Bozeman
3 hours ago
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Your DM's argument is invalid
the rules for a druids polymorph state that
Your game statistics are replaced by the statistics of the beast, But you retain your alignment, personality and Intelligence, wisdom and charisma scores
(emphasis mine)
this means that, even though a TRex has an Int of 2, you would have still had whatever it is in your base form, so it is more than enough to know that you should stop concentrating, and to know how to
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You are confusing the spell Polymorph and the druid class' ability Wild Shape.
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– The Raven Queen
2 hours ago
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Not correct wildshape keeps mental stats the polymorph spell has you take on all the stats of the creature
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– Carl Bozeman
2 hours ago
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There is no intelligence limit on the rules for concentration.
Nothing in the rules dictate that a creature has to have a sufficiently high intelligence to maintain or drop concentration. In fact, there are examples of extremely low intelligence creatures fully utilizing concentration spells. See the Neothelid in Volo's Guide to Monsters:
INT
3 (-4)
[...]
Innate Spellcasting (Psionics).
[...]
At will: levitate
If the creature, who is not much smarter than a t-rex, is able to use a concentration spell like levitate, there is hardly a reason a t-rex wouldn't be able to use one to full effect as well.
Your DM may be using a houserule.
It is possible that your DM is implementing a houserule where intelligence has more of an impact than in the base game. If this is the case, he is the only one who can answer questions like why a t-rex could/would concentrate on a spell at all.
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There is no intelligence limit on the rules for concentration.
Nothing in the rules dictate that a creature has to have a sufficiently high intelligence to maintain or drop concentration. In fact, there are examples of extremely low intelligence creatures fully utilizing concentration spells. See the Neothelid in Volo's Guide to Monsters:
INT
3 (-4)
[...]
Innate Spellcasting (Psionics).
[...]
At will: levitate
If the creature, who is not much smarter than a t-rex, is able to use a concentration spell like levitate, there is hardly a reason a t-rex wouldn't be able to use one to full effect as well.
Your DM may be using a houserule.
It is possible that your DM is implementing a houserule where intelligence has more of an impact than in the base game. If this is the case, he is the only one who can answer questions like why a t-rex could/would concentrate on a spell at all.
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add a comment |
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There is no intelligence limit on the rules for concentration.
Nothing in the rules dictate that a creature has to have a sufficiently high intelligence to maintain or drop concentration. In fact, there are examples of extremely low intelligence creatures fully utilizing concentration spells. See the Neothelid in Volo's Guide to Monsters:
INT
3 (-4)
[...]
Innate Spellcasting (Psionics).
[...]
At will: levitate
If the creature, who is not much smarter than a t-rex, is able to use a concentration spell like levitate, there is hardly a reason a t-rex wouldn't be able to use one to full effect as well.
Your DM may be using a houserule.
It is possible that your DM is implementing a houserule where intelligence has more of an impact than in the base game. If this is the case, he is the only one who can answer questions like why a t-rex could/would concentrate on a spell at all.
$endgroup$
There is no intelligence limit on the rules for concentration.
Nothing in the rules dictate that a creature has to have a sufficiently high intelligence to maintain or drop concentration. In fact, there are examples of extremely low intelligence creatures fully utilizing concentration spells. See the Neothelid in Volo's Guide to Monsters:
INT
3 (-4)
[...]
Innate Spellcasting (Psionics).
[...]
At will: levitate
If the creature, who is not much smarter than a t-rex, is able to use a concentration spell like levitate, there is hardly a reason a t-rex wouldn't be able to use one to full effect as well.
Your DM may be using a houserule.
It is possible that your DM is implementing a houserule where intelligence has more of an impact than in the base game. If this is the case, he is the only one who can answer questions like why a t-rex could/would concentrate on a spell at all.
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RAW implies you can end concentration, but a shaky argument can be made against
According to PHB, concentration is very easy to end.
Concentration
You can end Concentration at any time (no action required).
Additionally, the Polymorph spell states:
[The target] retains its Alignment and personality.
...
The creature is limited in the Actions it can perform by the Nature of its new from, and it can't speak, cast Spells, or take any action that requires hands or Speech.
Nothing here says you can't end Concentration, which seems to be a simple mental activity.
The ONE argument I can see is that the beast couldn't have started Concentration (part of casting the spell), but that would imply the beast can't maintain Concentration either, which would never allow you to successfully Polymorph yourself. If the DM is prohibiting ending Concentration, he/she should prohibit Polymorphing oneself.
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That's what I was thinking
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– Carl Bozeman
3 hours ago
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RAW implies you can end concentration, but a shaky argument can be made against
According to PHB, concentration is very easy to end.
Concentration
You can end Concentration at any time (no action required).
Additionally, the Polymorph spell states:
[The target] retains its Alignment and personality.
...
The creature is limited in the Actions it can perform by the Nature of its new from, and it can't speak, cast Spells, or take any action that requires hands or Speech.
Nothing here says you can't end Concentration, which seems to be a simple mental activity.
The ONE argument I can see is that the beast couldn't have started Concentration (part of casting the spell), but that would imply the beast can't maintain Concentration either, which would never allow you to successfully Polymorph yourself. If the DM is prohibiting ending Concentration, he/she should prohibit Polymorphing oneself.
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That's what I was thinking
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– Carl Bozeman
3 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
RAW implies you can end concentration, but a shaky argument can be made against
According to PHB, concentration is very easy to end.
Concentration
You can end Concentration at any time (no action required).
Additionally, the Polymorph spell states:
[The target] retains its Alignment and personality.
...
The creature is limited in the Actions it can perform by the Nature of its new from, and it can't speak, cast Spells, or take any action that requires hands or Speech.
Nothing here says you can't end Concentration, which seems to be a simple mental activity.
The ONE argument I can see is that the beast couldn't have started Concentration (part of casting the spell), but that would imply the beast can't maintain Concentration either, which would never allow you to successfully Polymorph yourself. If the DM is prohibiting ending Concentration, he/she should prohibit Polymorphing oneself.
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RAW implies you can end concentration, but a shaky argument can be made against
According to PHB, concentration is very easy to end.
Concentration
You can end Concentration at any time (no action required).
Additionally, the Polymorph spell states:
[The target] retains its Alignment and personality.
...
The creature is limited in the Actions it can perform by the Nature of its new from, and it can't speak, cast Spells, or take any action that requires hands or Speech.
Nothing here says you can't end Concentration, which seems to be a simple mental activity.
The ONE argument I can see is that the beast couldn't have started Concentration (part of casting the spell), but that would imply the beast can't maintain Concentration either, which would never allow you to successfully Polymorph yourself. If the DM is prohibiting ending Concentration, he/she should prohibit Polymorphing oneself.
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That's what I was thinking
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That's what I was thinking
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That's what I was thinking
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Your DM's argument is invalid
the rules for a druids polymorph state that
Your game statistics are replaced by the statistics of the beast, But you retain your alignment, personality and Intelligence, wisdom and charisma scores
(emphasis mine)
this means that, even though a TRex has an Int of 2, you would have still had whatever it is in your base form, so it is more than enough to know that you should stop concentrating, and to know how to
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You are confusing the spell Polymorph and the druid class' ability Wild Shape.
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– The Raven Queen
2 hours ago
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Not correct wildshape keeps mental stats the polymorph spell has you take on all the stats of the creature
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– Carl Bozeman
2 hours ago
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Your DM's argument is invalid
the rules for a druids polymorph state that
Your game statistics are replaced by the statistics of the beast, But you retain your alignment, personality and Intelligence, wisdom and charisma scores
(emphasis mine)
this means that, even though a TRex has an Int of 2, you would have still had whatever it is in your base form, so it is more than enough to know that you should stop concentrating, and to know how to
$endgroup$
4
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You are confusing the spell Polymorph and the druid class' ability Wild Shape.
$endgroup$
– The Raven Queen
2 hours ago
2
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Not correct wildshape keeps mental stats the polymorph spell has you take on all the stats of the creature
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– Carl Bozeman
2 hours ago
add a comment |
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Your DM's argument is invalid
the rules for a druids polymorph state that
Your game statistics are replaced by the statistics of the beast, But you retain your alignment, personality and Intelligence, wisdom and charisma scores
(emphasis mine)
this means that, even though a TRex has an Int of 2, you would have still had whatever it is in your base form, so it is more than enough to know that you should stop concentrating, and to know how to
$endgroup$
Your DM's argument is invalid
the rules for a druids polymorph state that
Your game statistics are replaced by the statistics of the beast, But you retain your alignment, personality and Intelligence, wisdom and charisma scores
(emphasis mine)
this means that, even though a TRex has an Int of 2, you would have still had whatever it is in your base form, so it is more than enough to know that you should stop concentrating, and to know how to
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You are confusing the spell Polymorph and the druid class' ability Wild Shape.
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– The Raven Queen
2 hours ago
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Not correct wildshape keeps mental stats the polymorph spell has you take on all the stats of the creature
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– Carl Bozeman
2 hours ago
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You are confusing the spell Polymorph and the druid class' ability Wild Shape.
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– The Raven Queen
2 hours ago
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Not correct wildshape keeps mental stats the polymorph spell has you take on all the stats of the creature
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– Carl Bozeman
2 hours ago
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You are confusing the spell Polymorph and the druid class' ability Wild Shape.
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– The Raven Queen
2 hours ago
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You are confusing the spell Polymorph and the druid class' ability Wild Shape.
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– The Raven Queen
2 hours ago
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Not correct wildshape keeps mental stats the polymorph spell has you take on all the stats of the creature
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– Carl Bozeman
2 hours ago
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Not correct wildshape keeps mental stats the polymorph spell has you take on all the stats of the creature
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– Carl Bozeman
2 hours ago
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– Sdjz
3 hours ago
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We can definitely answer the "can a polymorphed creature end concentration on a spell", but the "why would the t-rex concentration" is only going to be speculation, and is probably not a good fit for the site.
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– David Coffron
3 hours ago
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@DavidCoffron "Why" in this context is not speculative - it is about specific situation when player looses ability to decide for his character, and rules that govern that situation, if any. Lack of "why" in the rules (if that's the case) would be helpful answer, I believe. Am I right, Carl Bozeman? I agree it could be worded a bit better.
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– Mołot
3 hours ago
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Molot is correct that is what I meant but couldn't figure out how to address it.
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– Carl Bozeman
3 hours ago
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@CarlBozeman glad to help. Now we just need someone who can edit this clarification into your question. My English skill is not enough to do it, I'm afraid.
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– Mołot
3 hours ago