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How do spells that require an ability check vs. the caster's spell save DC work?
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Some spells for a wizard state that they need an ability check vs. spell save DC (SSDC). I'm not understanding how this is supposed to work.
If the spell says a creature can see through the effect if it passes an Int vs. the SSDC, how does that work? A d20 is rolled by the DM and the Int mod (if any) of the creature is added and it has to beat (be greater than [or equal to?]) my wizard's SSDC (8 + Wis mod + proficiency bonus)?
Note that this is not about how to calculate this SSDC; I already know how to do that.
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Some spells for a wizard state that they need an ability check vs. spell save DC (SSDC). I'm not understanding how this is supposed to work.
If the spell says a creature can see through the effect if it passes an Int vs. the SSDC, how does that work? A d20 is rolled by the DM and the Int mod (if any) of the creature is added and it has to beat (be greater than [or equal to?]) my wizard's SSDC (8 + Wis mod + proficiency bonus)?
Note that this is not about how to calculate this SSDC; I already know how to do that.
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Sorry to roll back your question edit, but an answer addresses the wis/int issue and your edit would invalidate their answer.
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Some spells for a wizard state that they need an ability check vs. spell save DC (SSDC). I'm not understanding how this is supposed to work.
If the spell says a creature can see through the effect if it passes an Int vs. the SSDC, how does that work? A d20 is rolled by the DM and the Int mod (if any) of the creature is added and it has to beat (be greater than [or equal to?]) my wizard's SSDC (8 + Wis mod + proficiency bonus)?
Note that this is not about how to calculate this SSDC; I already know how to do that.
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Some spells for a wizard state that they need an ability check vs. spell save DC (SSDC). I'm not understanding how this is supposed to work.
If the spell says a creature can see through the effect if it passes an Int vs. the SSDC, how does that work? A d20 is rolled by the DM and the Int mod (if any) of the creature is added and it has to beat (be greater than [or equal to?]) my wizard's SSDC (8 + Wis mod + proficiency bonus)?
Note that this is not about how to calculate this SSDC; I already know how to do that.
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Welcome! You can take the tour as an introduction to the site and check out the help center for further guidance. Your question was edited in an attempt to make it clearer. Feel free to revert the changes or edit it again if you don't like any of the changes. Good luck and happy gaming!
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Sorry to roll back your question edit, but an answer addresses the wis/int issue and your edit would invalidate their answer.
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@enkryptor There is absolutely no call for sarcasm and rudeness here. If you want to help the user, put an answer down below. If you want to mock them, keep it to yourself. Either way, this comment is not appropriate.
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Sorry to roll back your question edit, but an answer addresses the wis/int issue and your edit would invalidate their answer.
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@NautArch I thought invalidating answers was a perfectly alright thing to do, as long as you didn't completely change the meat of the question.
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Welcome! You can take the tour as an introduction to the site and check out the help center for further guidance. Your question was edited in an attempt to make it clearer. Feel free to revert the changes or edit it again if you don't like any of the changes. Good luck and happy gaming!
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Welcome! You can take the tour as an introduction to the site and check out the help center for further guidance. Your question was edited in an attempt to make it clearer. Feel free to revert the changes or edit it again if you don't like any of the changes. Good luck and happy gaming!
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@enkryptor There is absolutely no call for sarcasm and rudeness here. If you want to help the user, put an answer down below. If you want to mock them, keep it to yourself. Either way, this comment is not appropriate.
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Sorry to roll back your question edit, but an answer addresses the wis/int issue and your edit would invalidate their answer.
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Sorry to roll back your question edit, but an answer addresses the wis/int issue and your edit would invalidate their answer.
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@NautArch I thought invalidating answers was a perfectly alright thing to do, as long as you didn't completely change the meat of the question.
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Your analysis is correct (mostly).
Minor illusion is a good example of this. The text (PHB 260) says:
... the creature can determine that it is an illusion with a successful Intelligence (Investigation) check against your spell save DC.
If a creature under the control of the DM uses its action to investigate the illusion, the DM rolls the d20, adds the creature's Investigation bonus (or just its Intelligence bonus if it doesn't have a modifier specified for the Investigation skill), and checks if it is greater than or equal to the caster's spell save DC.
If the check is greater than or equal to the caster's spell save DC, the creature determines the illusion is false.
However, Wizards use Intelligence, not Wisdom, for their spells.
The Wizard's spell save DC, therefore, is 8 + [Intelligence modifier] + [Proficiency bonus].
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Thanks, I knew it was Int...just a kind of typo.
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2 hours ago
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@Tanstaafl No worries, we kind of figured it was, but this answer covered it just in case. FYI if you find an answer that solves your problem you can indicate that by accepting it by clicking the checkmark next to it. Sometimes it is good to wait 24 hours to do so but you are welcome to do it whenever (or not at all)
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2 hours ago
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@Tanstaafl You can, and probably should, change "Wis" to "Int" in your question... It's a good question, and there's really no point in having that there for all time. Just click the "edit" link under your question and edit away.
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What gives you proficiency on spellsaves?
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Your analysis is correct (mostly).
Minor illusion is a good example of this. The text (PHB 260) says:
... the creature can determine that it is an illusion with a successful Intelligence (Investigation) check against your spell save DC.
If a creature under the control of the DM uses its action to investigate the illusion, the DM rolls the d20, adds the creature's Investigation bonus (or just its Intelligence bonus if it doesn't have a modifier specified for the Investigation skill), and checks if it is greater than or equal to the caster's spell save DC.
If the check is greater than or equal to the caster's spell save DC, the creature determines the illusion is false.
However, Wizards use Intelligence, not Wisdom, for their spells.
The Wizard's spell save DC, therefore, is 8 + [Intelligence modifier] + [Proficiency bonus].
edited 1 hour ago
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answered 3 hours ago
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Thanks, I knew it was Int...just a kind of typo.
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– Tanstaafl
2 hours ago
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@Tanstaafl No worries, we kind of figured it was, but this answer covered it just in case. FYI if you find an answer that solves your problem you can indicate that by accepting it by clicking the checkmark next to it. Sometimes it is good to wait 24 hours to do so but you are welcome to do it whenever (or not at all)
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– Rubiksmoose
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@Tanstaafl You can, and probably should, change "Wis" to "Int" in your question... It's a good question, and there's really no point in having that there for all time. Just click the "edit" link under your question and edit away.
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What gives you proficiency on spellsaves?
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– Miles Bedinger
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Your analysis is correct (mostly).
Minor illusion is a good example of this. The text (PHB 260) says:
... the creature can determine that it is an illusion with a successful Intelligence (Investigation) check against your spell save DC.
If a creature under the control of the DM uses its action to investigate the illusion, the DM rolls the d20, adds the creature's Investigation bonus (or just its Intelligence bonus if it doesn't have a modifier specified for the Investigation skill), and checks if it is greater than or equal to the caster's spell save DC.
If the check is greater than or equal to the caster's spell save DC, the creature determines the illusion is false.
However, Wizards use Intelligence, not Wisdom, for their spells.
The Wizard's spell save DC, therefore, is 8 + [Intelligence modifier] + [Proficiency bonus].
edited 1 hour ago
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answered 3 hours ago
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Thanks, I knew it was Int...just a kind of typo.
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– Tanstaafl
2 hours ago
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@Tanstaafl No worries, we kind of figured it was, but this answer covered it just in case. FYI if you find an answer that solves your problem you can indicate that by accepting it by clicking the checkmark next to it. Sometimes it is good to wait 24 hours to do so but you are welcome to do it whenever (or not at all)
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– Rubiksmoose
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@Tanstaafl You can, and probably should, change "Wis" to "Int" in your question... It's a good question, and there's really no point in having that there for all time. Just click the "edit" link under your question and edit away.
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What gives you proficiency on spellsaves?
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– Miles Bedinger
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Your analysis is correct (mostly).
Minor illusion is a good example of this. The text (PHB 260) says:
... the creature can determine that it is an illusion with a successful Intelligence (Investigation) check against your spell save DC.
If a creature under the control of the DM uses its action to investigate the illusion, the DM rolls the d20, adds the creature's Investigation bonus (or just its Intelligence bonus if it doesn't have a modifier specified for the Investigation skill), and checks if it is greater than or equal to the caster's spell save DC.
If the check is greater than or equal to the caster's spell save DC, the creature determines the illusion is false.
However, Wizards use Intelligence, not Wisdom, for their spells.
The Wizard's spell save DC, therefore, is 8 + [Intelligence modifier] + [Proficiency bonus].
edited 1 hour ago
V2Blast
25.7k488158
answered 3 hours ago
Blake SteelBlake Steel
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$endgroup$
Your analysis is correct (mostly).
Minor illusion is a good example of this. The text (PHB 260) says:
... the creature can determine that it is an illusion with a successful Intelligence (Investigation) check against your spell save DC.
If a creature under the control of the DM uses its action to investigate the illusion, the DM rolls the d20, adds the creature's Investigation bonus (or just its Intelligence bonus if it doesn't have a modifier specified for the Investigation skill), and checks if it is greater than or equal to the caster's spell save DC.
If the check is greater than or equal to the caster's spell save DC, the creature determines the illusion is false.
However, Wizards use Intelligence, not Wisdom, for their spells.
The Wizard's spell save DC, therefore, is 8 + [Intelligence modifier] + [Proficiency bonus].
edited 1 hour ago
V2Blast
25.7k488158
answered 3 hours ago
Blake SteelBlake Steel
4,2681950
edited 1 hour ago
V2Blast
25.7k488158
edited 1 hour ago
V2Blast
25.7k488158
edited 1 hour ago
V2Blast
25.7k488158
25.7k488158
answered 3 hours ago
Blake SteelBlake Steel
4,2681950
answered 3 hours ago
Blake SteelBlake Steel
4,2681950
answered 3 hours ago
Blake SteelBlake Steel
4,2681950
4,2681950
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Thanks, I knew it was Int...just a kind of typo.
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– Tanstaafl
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@Tanstaafl No worries, we kind of figured it was, but this answer covered it just in case. FYI if you find an answer that solves your problem you can indicate that by accepting it by clicking the checkmark next to it. Sometimes it is good to wait 24 hours to do so but you are welcome to do it whenever (or not at all)
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– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
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@Tanstaafl You can, and probably should, change "Wis" to "Int" in your question... It's a good question, and there's really no point in having that there for all time. Just click the "edit" link under your question and edit away.
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1 hour ago
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What gives you proficiency on spellsaves?
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2 mins ago
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Thanks, I knew it was Int...just a kind of typo.
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– Tanstaafl
2 hours ago
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@Tanstaafl No worries, we kind of figured it was, but this answer covered it just in case. FYI if you find an answer that solves your problem you can indicate that by accepting it by clicking the checkmark next to it. Sometimes it is good to wait 24 hours to do so but you are welcome to do it whenever (or not at all)
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– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
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@Tanstaafl You can, and probably should, change "Wis" to "Int" in your question... It's a good question, and there's really no point in having that there for all time. Just click the "edit" link under your question and edit away.
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– Reginald Blue
1 hour ago
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What gives you proficiency on spellsaves?
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– Miles Bedinger
2 mins ago
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Thanks, I knew it was Int...just a kind of typo.
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– Tanstaafl
2 hours ago
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Thanks, I knew it was Int...just a kind of typo.
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– Tanstaafl
2 hours ago
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1
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@Tanstaafl No worries, we kind of figured it was, but this answer covered it just in case. FYI if you find an answer that solves your problem you can indicate that by accepting it by clicking the checkmark next to it. Sometimes it is good to wait 24 hours to do so but you are welcome to do it whenever (or not at all)
$endgroup$
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
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@Tanstaafl No worries, we kind of figured it was, but this answer covered it just in case. FYI if you find an answer that solves your problem you can indicate that by accepting it by clicking the checkmark next to it. Sometimes it is good to wait 24 hours to do so but you are welcome to do it whenever (or not at all)
$endgroup$
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Tanstaafl You can, and probably should, change "Wis" to "Int" in your question... It's a good question, and there's really no point in having that there for all time. Just click the "edit" link under your question and edit away.
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– Reginald Blue
1 hour ago
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@Tanstaafl You can, and probably should, change "Wis" to "Int" in your question... It's a good question, and there's really no point in having that there for all time. Just click the "edit" link under your question and edit away.
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1 hour ago
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What gives you proficiency on spellsaves?
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– Miles Bedinger
2 mins ago
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What gives you proficiency on spellsaves?
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Related: Calculating Wizard spell casting ability and spell attack bonus and How and when do I use my spell save DC and spell attack modifier?
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– Rubiksmoose
3 hours ago
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Welcome! You can take the tour as an introduction to the site and check out the help center for further guidance. Your question was edited in an attempt to make it clearer. Feel free to revert the changes or edit it again if you don't like any of the changes. Good luck and happy gaming!
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– Sdjz
3 hours ago
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@enkryptor There is absolutely no call for sarcasm and rudeness here. If you want to help the user, put an answer down below. If you want to mock them, keep it to yourself. Either way, this comment is not appropriate.
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– Rubiksmoose
3 hours ago
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Sorry to roll back your question edit, but an answer addresses the wis/int issue and your edit would invalidate their answer.
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– NautArch
2 hours ago
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@NautArch I thought invalidating answers was a perfectly alright thing to do, as long as you didn't completely change the meat of the question.
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– J. A. Streich
1 hour ago