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Dominant seventh chord in the major scale contains diminished triad of the seventh?



Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)Why does the dominant lead to the tonic?Why is a C7 chord named a dominant seventh chord?Can any diminished chord be used as V anywhere?Why do many songs in major keys use a bVII chord?Phrygian dominant scale with a major seventhChord construction using the minor scaleHalf-diminished pentatonic scale?Why do we only build 7th chords on the supertonic and dominant of a major scale?Is a seventh chord as fundamental as a triad?Is this chord in Für Elise an example of a diminished seventh chord in classical music?Is the half-diminished seventh chord more commonly found as iiø7 in minor than viiø7 in major in common practice harmony?










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The seventh chord built on the fifth step of the scale (the dominant seventh) is the only dominant seventh chord available in the major scale: it contains all three notes of the diminished triad of the seventh and is frequently used as a stronger substitute for it.




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    The seventh chord built on the fifth step of the scale (the dominant seventh) is the only dominant seventh chord available in the major scale: it contains all three notes of the diminished triad of the seventh and is frequently used as a stronger substitute for it.




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      The seventh chord built on the fifth step of the scale (the dominant seventh) is the only dominant seventh chord available in the major scale: it contains all three notes of the diminished triad of the seventh and is frequently used as a stronger substitute for it.




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      The seventh chord built on the fifth step of the scale (the dominant seventh) is the only dominant seventh chord available in the major scale: it contains all three notes of the diminished triad of the seventh and is frequently used as a stronger substitute for it.




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          "Dominant seventh" is a shorthand for what others call a "major-minor seventh," meaning a major triad with a minor seventh on top.



          If we take all notes of a major scale and create seventh chords on top of them using only the notes of that major scale, only one of these seventh chords will be a major-minor ("dominant") seventh: that built on scale-degree 5 of the major scale. Scale-degree 5 is called the "dominant," hence the term "dominant seventh."



          When this text says "diminished triad of the seventh," the writer is being a little loose with their terminology. It should say "diminished triad of the seventh scale degree," because the triad built on top of that seventh scale degree is a diminished triad. And that same diminished triad is the third, fifth, and seventh of the dominant seventh chord built on scale-degree 5.



          In C major, scale-degree 5 is G and scale-degree 7 is B. The seventh chord on G is G B D F (a major triad G B D with a minor seventh G F), and it includes the diminished triad built on scale-degree 7: B D F.






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            We call the resolution stronger because the V7 chord is much more directional (the vii°7 chord, which would be the diminished seventh chord, is symmetrical and ambiguous). There are other reasons, and as further reading, this post does a good job explaining this resolution's strengths.






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            "Dominant seventh" is a shorthand for what others call a "major-minor seventh," meaning a major triad with a minor seventh on top.



            If we take all notes of a major scale and create seventh chords on top of them using only the notes of that major scale, only one of these seventh chords will be a major-minor ("dominant") seventh: that built on scale-degree 5 of the major scale. Scale-degree 5 is called the "dominant," hence the term "dominant seventh."



            When this text says "diminished triad of the seventh," the writer is being a little loose with their terminology. It should say "diminished triad of the seventh scale degree," because the triad built on top of that seventh scale degree is a diminished triad. And that same diminished triad is the third, fifth, and seventh of the dominant seventh chord built on scale-degree 5.



            In C major, scale-degree 5 is G and scale-degree 7 is B. The seventh chord on G is G B D F (a major triad G B D with a minor seventh G F), and it includes the diminished triad built on scale-degree 7: B D F.






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              "Dominant seventh" is a shorthand for what others call a "major-minor seventh," meaning a major triad with a minor seventh on top.



              If we take all notes of a major scale and create seventh chords on top of them using only the notes of that major scale, only one of these seventh chords will be a major-minor ("dominant") seventh: that built on scale-degree 5 of the major scale. Scale-degree 5 is called the "dominant," hence the term "dominant seventh."



              When this text says "diminished triad of the seventh," the writer is being a little loose with their terminology. It should say "diminished triad of the seventh scale degree," because the triad built on top of that seventh scale degree is a diminished triad. And that same diminished triad is the third, fifth, and seventh of the dominant seventh chord built on scale-degree 5.



              In C major, scale-degree 5 is G and scale-degree 7 is B. The seventh chord on G is G B D F (a major triad G B D with a minor seventh G F), and it includes the diminished triad built on scale-degree 7: B D F.






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                "Dominant seventh" is a shorthand for what others call a "major-minor seventh," meaning a major triad with a minor seventh on top.



                If we take all notes of a major scale and create seventh chords on top of them using only the notes of that major scale, only one of these seventh chords will be a major-minor ("dominant") seventh: that built on scale-degree 5 of the major scale. Scale-degree 5 is called the "dominant," hence the term "dominant seventh."



                When this text says "diminished triad of the seventh," the writer is being a little loose with their terminology. It should say "diminished triad of the seventh scale degree," because the triad built on top of that seventh scale degree is a diminished triad. And that same diminished triad is the third, fifth, and seventh of the dominant seventh chord built on scale-degree 5.



                In C major, scale-degree 5 is G and scale-degree 7 is B. The seventh chord on G is G B D F (a major triad G B D with a minor seventh G F), and it includes the diminished triad built on scale-degree 7: B D F.






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                "Dominant seventh" is a shorthand for what others call a "major-minor seventh," meaning a major triad with a minor seventh on top.



                If we take all notes of a major scale and create seventh chords on top of them using only the notes of that major scale, only one of these seventh chords will be a major-minor ("dominant") seventh: that built on scale-degree 5 of the major scale. Scale-degree 5 is called the "dominant," hence the term "dominant seventh."



                When this text says "diminished triad of the seventh," the writer is being a little loose with their terminology. It should say "diminished triad of the seventh scale degree," because the triad built on top of that seventh scale degree is a diminished triad. And that same diminished triad is the third, fifth, and seventh of the dominant seventh chord built on scale-degree 5.



                In C major, scale-degree 5 is G and scale-degree 7 is B. The seventh chord on G is G B D F (a major triad G B D with a minor seventh G F), and it includes the diminished triad built on scale-degree 7: B D F.







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                    We call the resolution stronger because the V7 chord is much more directional (the vii°7 chord, which would be the diminished seventh chord, is symmetrical and ambiguous). There are other reasons, and as further reading, this post does a good job explaining this resolution's strengths.






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                    We call the resolution stronger because the V7 chord is much more directional (the vii°7 chord, which would be the diminished seventh chord, is symmetrical and ambiguous). There are other reasons, and as further reading, this post does a good job explaining this resolution's strengths.






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                    We call the resolution stronger because the V7 chord is much more directional (the vii°7 chord, which would be the diminished seventh chord, is symmetrical and ambiguous). There are other reasons, and as further reading, this post does a good job explaining this resolution's strengths.






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                    We call the resolution stronger because the V7 chord is much more directional (the vii°7 chord, which would be the diminished seventh chord, is symmetrical and ambiguous). There are other reasons, and as further reading, this post does a good job explaining this resolution's strengths.







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