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Why did Neo believe he could trust the machine when he asked for peace?


In “The Matrix Revolutions” How Does Neo Stop the Machine Weapons in the Real World?Why does the machine ambassador destroy the human leadership after accepting their surrender?Why didn't Sati choose deletion rather than exile?Why didn’t the machines foresee the power of Smith?What would have happened if Agent Smith wasn't around?What did Smith mean when he said this?What did Neo fight for?Was Agent Smith created by the Oracle and if so, with what purpose?Will there be another iteration of The Matrix?Why did the “cataclysmic system crash” not happen?






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Neo made an agreement with the Source Machine in Matrix Revolutions. He would offer to destroy the rogue program, Smith, in return for a promise of peace from the Source Machine. The Source would no longer enslave humanity, but allow humans who wished to live outside the matrix to do so.









Neo: I only ask to say what I have come to say. After that, do what you want. I won't try to stop you.



Source: Speak!



Neo: The program, Smith, has grown beyond your control. Soon he will spread through the city as he has spread through the Matrix. You cannot stop him. ... But I can.



Source: We don't need you! We need nothing!



Neo: If that is true, then I made a mistake and you should kill me now.



Source: What do you want?



Neo: Peace.




Why would Neo think he could trust the Source Machine?



Neo knew from his conversation with the Architect that the Source had made six previous versions of the Matrix. Each version improved its ability to enslave humanity. I don't see why the Source would give up that goal. It should see humanity as an existential threat. If should believe the humans will seek to destroy the Matrix and the Source Machine with it.



Once Neo was dead, the Source would create a seventh Matrix, and then reneg on its agreement.










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Neo made an agreement with the Source Machine in Matrix Revolutions. He would offer to destroy the rogue program, Smith, in return for a promise of peace from the Source Machine. The Source would no longer enslave humanity, but allow humans who wished to live outside the matrix to do so.









Neo: I only ask to say what I have come to say. After that, do what you want. I won't try to stop you.



Source: Speak!



Neo: The program, Smith, has grown beyond your control. Soon he will spread through the city as he has spread through the Matrix. You cannot stop him. ... But I can.



Source: We don't need you! We need nothing!



Neo: If that is true, then I made a mistake and you should kill me now.



Source: What do you want?



Neo: Peace.




Why would Neo think he could trust the Source Machine?



Neo knew from his conversation with the Architect that the Source had made six previous versions of the Matrix. Each version improved its ability to enslave humanity. I don't see why the Source would give up that goal. It should see humanity as an existential threat. If should believe the humans will seek to destroy the Matrix and the Source Machine with it.



Once Neo was dead, the Source would create a seventh Matrix, and then reneg on its agreement.










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    I'm reasonably sure that there's no good reason not to trust the Deus Ex Machina. If it doesn't allow him to fight, Smith will take over everyone in the Matrix anyway...

    – Valorum
    7 hours ago














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Neo made an agreement with the Source Machine in Matrix Revolutions. He would offer to destroy the rogue program, Smith, in return for a promise of peace from the Source Machine. The Source would no longer enslave humanity, but allow humans who wished to live outside the matrix to do so.









Neo: I only ask to say what I have come to say. After that, do what you want. I won't try to stop you.



Source: Speak!



Neo: The program, Smith, has grown beyond your control. Soon he will spread through the city as he has spread through the Matrix. You cannot stop him. ... But I can.



Source: We don't need you! We need nothing!



Neo: If that is true, then I made a mistake and you should kill me now.



Source: What do you want?



Neo: Peace.




Why would Neo think he could trust the Source Machine?



Neo knew from his conversation with the Architect that the Source had made six previous versions of the Matrix. Each version improved its ability to enslave humanity. I don't see why the Source would give up that goal. It should see humanity as an existential threat. If should believe the humans will seek to destroy the Matrix and the Source Machine with it.



Once Neo was dead, the Source would create a seventh Matrix, and then reneg on its agreement.










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Neo made an agreement with the Source Machine in Matrix Revolutions. He would offer to destroy the rogue program, Smith, in return for a promise of peace from the Source Machine. The Source would no longer enslave humanity, but allow humans who wished to live outside the matrix to do so.









Neo: I only ask to say what I have come to say. After that, do what you want. I won't try to stop you.



Source: Speak!



Neo: The program, Smith, has grown beyond your control. Soon he will spread through the city as he has spread through the Matrix. You cannot stop him. ... But I can.



Source: We don't need you! We need nothing!



Neo: If that is true, then I made a mistake and you should kill me now.



Source: What do you want?



Neo: Peace.




Why would Neo think he could trust the Source Machine?



Neo knew from his conversation with the Architect that the Source had made six previous versions of the Matrix. Each version improved its ability to enslave humanity. I don't see why the Source would give up that goal. It should see humanity as an existential threat. If should believe the humans will seek to destroy the Matrix and the Source Machine with it.



Once Neo was dead, the Source would create a seventh Matrix, and then reneg on its agreement.















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Neo believed that his path would take him to the Machine Mainframe because he'd seen it in his visions and, critically, because the Oracle told him that he should go there. Her lack of warning about the trustworthiness of the power that ultimately controls the machines can be taken as tacit confirmation that if he can somehow extract a promise of peace, that it will likely be kept (or else, why bother telling him to go there?)




Oracle: I'm sorry I don't have the answer to that question. But, if there is an answer, there's only one place you're going to find
it.



Neo: Where?



Oracle: You know where. And if you can't find the answer, then I'm afraid there may be no tomorrow for any of us.




Note that with the mild exception of the Matrix itself (which does offer the choice to leave if you feel it's too unreal), there aren't any instances where the machines don't do precisely what they've said that they're going to do or where they've made promises that they haven't intended to keep. The Architect makes it clear in his final conversation with the Oracle that deceit and treachery are human traits.






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    Neo believed that his path would take him to the Machine Mainframe because he'd seen it in his visions and, critically, because the Oracle told him that he should go there. Her lack of warning about the trustworthiness of the power that ultimately controls the machines can be taken as tacit confirmation that if he can somehow extract a promise of peace, that it will likely be kept (or else, why bother telling him to go there?)




    Oracle: I'm sorry I don't have the answer to that question. But, if there is an answer, there's only one place you're going to find
    it.



    Neo: Where?



    Oracle: You know where. And if you can't find the answer, then I'm afraid there may be no tomorrow for any of us.




    Note that with the mild exception of the Matrix itself (which does offer the choice to leave if you feel it's too unreal), there aren't any instances where the machines don't do precisely what they've said that they're going to do or where they've made promises that they haven't intended to keep. The Architect makes it clear in his final conversation with the Oracle that deceit and treachery are human traits.






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      Neo believed that his path would take him to the Machine Mainframe because he'd seen it in his visions and, critically, because the Oracle told him that he should go there. Her lack of warning about the trustworthiness of the power that ultimately controls the machines can be taken as tacit confirmation that if he can somehow extract a promise of peace, that it will likely be kept (or else, why bother telling him to go there?)




      Oracle: I'm sorry I don't have the answer to that question. But, if there is an answer, there's only one place you're going to find
      it.



      Neo: Where?



      Oracle: You know where. And if you can't find the answer, then I'm afraid there may be no tomorrow for any of us.




      Note that with the mild exception of the Matrix itself (which does offer the choice to leave if you feel it's too unreal), there aren't any instances where the machines don't do precisely what they've said that they're going to do or where they've made promises that they haven't intended to keep. The Architect makes it clear in his final conversation with the Oracle that deceit and treachery are human traits.






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        Neo believed that his path would take him to the Machine Mainframe because he'd seen it in his visions and, critically, because the Oracle told him that he should go there. Her lack of warning about the trustworthiness of the power that ultimately controls the machines can be taken as tacit confirmation that if he can somehow extract a promise of peace, that it will likely be kept (or else, why bother telling him to go there?)




        Oracle: I'm sorry I don't have the answer to that question. But, if there is an answer, there's only one place you're going to find
        it.



        Neo: Where?



        Oracle: You know where. And if you can't find the answer, then I'm afraid there may be no tomorrow for any of us.




        Note that with the mild exception of the Matrix itself (which does offer the choice to leave if you feel it's too unreal), there aren't any instances where the machines don't do precisely what they've said that they're going to do or where they've made promises that they haven't intended to keep. The Architect makes it clear in his final conversation with the Oracle that deceit and treachery are human traits.






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        Neo believed that his path would take him to the Machine Mainframe because he'd seen it in his visions and, critically, because the Oracle told him that he should go there. Her lack of warning about the trustworthiness of the power that ultimately controls the machines can be taken as tacit confirmation that if he can somehow extract a promise of peace, that it will likely be kept (or else, why bother telling him to go there?)




        Oracle: I'm sorry I don't have the answer to that question. But, if there is an answer, there's only one place you're going to find
        it.



        Neo: Where?



        Oracle: You know where. And if you can't find the answer, then I'm afraid there may be no tomorrow for any of us.




        Note that with the mild exception of the Matrix itself (which does offer the choice to leave if you feel it's too unreal), there aren't any instances where the machines don't do precisely what they've said that they're going to do or where they've made promises that they haven't intended to keep. The Architect makes it clear in his final conversation with the Oracle that deceit and treachery are human traits.







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