Adapting the Chinese Remainder Theorem (CRT) for integers to polynomials Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara Planned maintenance scheduled April 23, 2019 at 23:30 UTC (7:30pm US/Eastern)mod Distributive Law, factoring $!!bmod!!:$ $ abbmod ac = a(bbmod c)$Remainder of polynomial by product of 2 polynomials$f$ dividing by $x + 1$ have remainder 4, when dividing with $x^2 + 1$ have remainder 2x+3. Find remainder dividing polynomial with($x+1$)($x^2+1$)chinese remainder theorem proofChinese Remainder Theorem InterpretationChinese Remainder Theorem clarificationI can't use Chinese Remainder Theorem.Chinese Remainder Theorem for $xequiv 0 pmody$Comparing two statements of Chinese Remainder Theorem (Sun-Ze Theorem)Chinese remainder theorem methodChinese Remainder Theorem problem 7Chinese Remainder Theorem with 0 mod nSolve a system of congruences using the Chinese Remainder Theorem
By what mechanism was the 2017 UK General Election called?
Is there a spell that can create a permanent fire?
Short story about astronauts fertilizing soil with their own bodies
Can gravitational waves pass through a black hole?
How to ask rejected full-time candidates to apply to teach individual courses?
Why are current probes so expensive?
Did any compiler fully use 80-bit floating point?
How could a hydrazine and N2O4 cloud (or it's reactants) show up in weather radar?
Calculation of line of sight system gain
Weaponising the Grasp-at-a-Distance spell
Inverse square law not accurate for non-point masses?
One-one communication
Keep at all times, the minus sign above aligned with minus sign below
Why not use the yoke to control yaw, as well as pitch and roll?
Plotting a Maclaurin series
How do I find my Spellcasting Ability for my D&D character?
How to name indistinguishable henchmen in a screenplay?
French equivalents of おしゃれは足元から (Every good outfit starts with the shoes)
Are there any irrational/transcendental numbers for which the distribution of decimal digits is not uniform?
What does 丫 mean? 丫是什么意思?
How to achieve cat-like agility?
Do i imagine the linear (straight line) homotopy in a correct way?
Should man-made satellites feature an intelligent inverted "cow catcher"?
Problem with display of presentation
Adapting the Chinese Remainder Theorem (CRT) for integers to polynomials
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 23, 2019 at 23:30 UTC (7:30pm US/Eastern)mod Distributive Law, factoring $!!bmod!!:$ $ abbmod ac = a(bbmod c)$Remainder of polynomial by product of 2 polynomials$f$ dividing by $x + 1$ have remainder 4, when dividing with $x^2 + 1$ have remainder 2x+3. Find remainder dividing polynomial with($x+1$)($x^2+1$)chinese remainder theorem proofChinese Remainder Theorem InterpretationChinese Remainder Theorem clarificationI can't use Chinese Remainder Theorem.Chinese Remainder Theorem for $xequiv 0 pmody$Comparing two statements of Chinese Remainder Theorem (Sun-Ze Theorem)Chinese remainder theorem methodChinese Remainder Theorem problem 7Chinese Remainder Theorem with 0 mod nSolve a system of congruences using the Chinese Remainder Theorem
$begingroup$
I did a few examples using the CRT to solve congruences where everything was in terms of integers. I'm trying to use the same technique for polynomials over $mathbbQ$, but I'm getting stuck.
Here's an example with integers:
$begincasesx equiv 1 , (mathrmmod , 5) \
x equiv 2 , (mathrmmod , 7) \
x equiv 3 , (mathrmmod , 9) \
x equiv 4 , (mathrmmod , 11).
endcases$
Since all the moduli are pairwise relatively prime, we can use the CRT. Here's some notation I'm using:
$bullet , M$ denotes the product of the moduli (in this case, $M = 5 cdot7 cdot 9 cdot 11$)
$bullet , m_i $ denotes the modulus in the $i^mathrmth$ congruence
$bullet , M_i$ denotes $dfracMm_i$
$bullet , y_i$ denotes the inverse of $M_i$ (mod $m_i$), i.e. $y_i$ satisfies $y_i M_i equiv 1$ (mod $m_i$).
Then $x = displaystyle sum_i = 1^n a_iM_iy_i$, and this solution is unique (mod $M$).
Now I want to apply the same technique to the following:
$begincases
f(x) equiv 1 , (mathrm mod , x^2 + 1) \
f(x) equiv x , (mathrmmod , x^4),
endcases$
where $f(x) in mathbbQ(x)$. Having checked that the moduli are relatively prime, we should be able to use the CRT. Using the notation above, I have the following:
$M = (x^4)(x^2 + 1)$
$M_1 = x^4$
$M_2 = x^2 + 1$
Here's where I run into a problem. I need to find $y_1, y_2$ such that
$begincases
y_1 (x^4) equiv 1 , (mathrmmod , x^2 + 1) \
y_2 (x^2+1) equiv 1 , (mathrmmod , x^4).
endcases$
But how does one find $y_1, y_2$?
abstract-algebra ring-theory chinese-remainder-theorem
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I did a few examples using the CRT to solve congruences where everything was in terms of integers. I'm trying to use the same technique for polynomials over $mathbbQ$, but I'm getting stuck.
Here's an example with integers:
$begincasesx equiv 1 , (mathrmmod , 5) \
x equiv 2 , (mathrmmod , 7) \
x equiv 3 , (mathrmmod , 9) \
x equiv 4 , (mathrmmod , 11).
endcases$
Since all the moduli are pairwise relatively prime, we can use the CRT. Here's some notation I'm using:
$bullet , M$ denotes the product of the moduli (in this case, $M = 5 cdot7 cdot 9 cdot 11$)
$bullet , m_i $ denotes the modulus in the $i^mathrmth$ congruence
$bullet , M_i$ denotes $dfracMm_i$
$bullet , y_i$ denotes the inverse of $M_i$ (mod $m_i$), i.e. $y_i$ satisfies $y_i M_i equiv 1$ (mod $m_i$).
Then $x = displaystyle sum_i = 1^n a_iM_iy_i$, and this solution is unique (mod $M$).
Now I want to apply the same technique to the following:
$begincases
f(x) equiv 1 , (mathrm mod , x^2 + 1) \
f(x) equiv x , (mathrmmod , x^4),
endcases$
where $f(x) in mathbbQ(x)$. Having checked that the moduli are relatively prime, we should be able to use the CRT. Using the notation above, I have the following:
$M = (x^4)(x^2 + 1)$
$M_1 = x^4$
$M_2 = x^2 + 1$
Here's where I run into a problem. I need to find $y_1, y_2$ such that
$begincases
y_1 (x^4) equiv 1 , (mathrmmod , x^2 + 1) \
y_2 (x^2+1) equiv 1 , (mathrmmod , x^4).
endcases$
But how does one find $y_1, y_2$?
abstract-algebra ring-theory chinese-remainder-theorem
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
"Having checked that the moduli are relatively prime..." but that means precisely that there exist $p_1(x)$ and $p_2(x)$ such that $p_1(x)x^4 + p_2(x)(x^2+1)=1$.
$endgroup$
– kccu
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
Are you saying that I can find $p_1(x)$ and $p_2(x)$ in general by using the extended Euclidean algorithm, and that $p_1(x)$ and $p_2(x)$ are precisely my $y_1$ and $y_2$?
$endgroup$
– Junglemath
7 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I did a few examples using the CRT to solve congruences where everything was in terms of integers. I'm trying to use the same technique for polynomials over $mathbbQ$, but I'm getting stuck.
Here's an example with integers:
$begincasesx equiv 1 , (mathrmmod , 5) \
x equiv 2 , (mathrmmod , 7) \
x equiv 3 , (mathrmmod , 9) \
x equiv 4 , (mathrmmod , 11).
endcases$
Since all the moduli are pairwise relatively prime, we can use the CRT. Here's some notation I'm using:
$bullet , M$ denotes the product of the moduli (in this case, $M = 5 cdot7 cdot 9 cdot 11$)
$bullet , m_i $ denotes the modulus in the $i^mathrmth$ congruence
$bullet , M_i$ denotes $dfracMm_i$
$bullet , y_i$ denotes the inverse of $M_i$ (mod $m_i$), i.e. $y_i$ satisfies $y_i M_i equiv 1$ (mod $m_i$).
Then $x = displaystyle sum_i = 1^n a_iM_iy_i$, and this solution is unique (mod $M$).
Now I want to apply the same technique to the following:
$begincases
f(x) equiv 1 , (mathrm mod , x^2 + 1) \
f(x) equiv x , (mathrmmod , x^4),
endcases$
where $f(x) in mathbbQ(x)$. Having checked that the moduli are relatively prime, we should be able to use the CRT. Using the notation above, I have the following:
$M = (x^4)(x^2 + 1)$
$M_1 = x^4$
$M_2 = x^2 + 1$
Here's where I run into a problem. I need to find $y_1, y_2$ such that
$begincases
y_1 (x^4) equiv 1 , (mathrmmod , x^2 + 1) \
y_2 (x^2+1) equiv 1 , (mathrmmod , x^4).
endcases$
But how does one find $y_1, y_2$?
abstract-algebra ring-theory chinese-remainder-theorem
$endgroup$
I did a few examples using the CRT to solve congruences where everything was in terms of integers. I'm trying to use the same technique for polynomials over $mathbbQ$, but I'm getting stuck.
Here's an example with integers:
$begincasesx equiv 1 , (mathrmmod , 5) \
x equiv 2 , (mathrmmod , 7) \
x equiv 3 , (mathrmmod , 9) \
x equiv 4 , (mathrmmod , 11).
endcases$
Since all the moduli are pairwise relatively prime, we can use the CRT. Here's some notation I'm using:
$bullet , M$ denotes the product of the moduli (in this case, $M = 5 cdot7 cdot 9 cdot 11$)
$bullet , m_i $ denotes the modulus in the $i^mathrmth$ congruence
$bullet , M_i$ denotes $dfracMm_i$
$bullet , y_i$ denotes the inverse of $M_i$ (mod $m_i$), i.e. $y_i$ satisfies $y_i M_i equiv 1$ (mod $m_i$).
Then $x = displaystyle sum_i = 1^n a_iM_iy_i$, and this solution is unique (mod $M$).
Now I want to apply the same technique to the following:
$begincases
f(x) equiv 1 , (mathrm mod , x^2 + 1) \
f(x) equiv x , (mathrmmod , x^4),
endcases$
where $f(x) in mathbbQ(x)$. Having checked that the moduli are relatively prime, we should be able to use the CRT. Using the notation above, I have the following:
$M = (x^4)(x^2 + 1)$
$M_1 = x^4$
$M_2 = x^2 + 1$
Here's where I run into a problem. I need to find $y_1, y_2$ such that
$begincases
y_1 (x^4) equiv 1 , (mathrmmod , x^2 + 1) \
y_2 (x^2+1) equiv 1 , (mathrmmod , x^4).
endcases$
But how does one find $y_1, y_2$?
abstract-algebra ring-theory chinese-remainder-theorem
abstract-algebra ring-theory chinese-remainder-theorem
asked 8 hours ago
JunglemathJunglemath
6017
6017
1
$begingroup$
"Having checked that the moduli are relatively prime..." but that means precisely that there exist $p_1(x)$ and $p_2(x)$ such that $p_1(x)x^4 + p_2(x)(x^2+1)=1$.
$endgroup$
– kccu
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
Are you saying that I can find $p_1(x)$ and $p_2(x)$ in general by using the extended Euclidean algorithm, and that $p_1(x)$ and $p_2(x)$ are precisely my $y_1$ and $y_2$?
$endgroup$
– Junglemath
7 hours ago
add a comment |
1
$begingroup$
"Having checked that the moduli are relatively prime..." but that means precisely that there exist $p_1(x)$ and $p_2(x)$ such that $p_1(x)x^4 + p_2(x)(x^2+1)=1$.
$endgroup$
– kccu
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
Are you saying that I can find $p_1(x)$ and $p_2(x)$ in general by using the extended Euclidean algorithm, and that $p_1(x)$ and $p_2(x)$ are precisely my $y_1$ and $y_2$?
$endgroup$
– Junglemath
7 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
"Having checked that the moduli are relatively prime..." but that means precisely that there exist $p_1(x)$ and $p_2(x)$ such that $p_1(x)x^4 + p_2(x)(x^2+1)=1$.
$endgroup$
– kccu
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
"Having checked that the moduli are relatively prime..." but that means precisely that there exist $p_1(x)$ and $p_2(x)$ such that $p_1(x)x^4 + p_2(x)(x^2+1)=1$.
$endgroup$
– kccu
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
Are you saying that I can find $p_1(x)$ and $p_2(x)$ in general by using the extended Euclidean algorithm, and that $p_1(x)$ and $p_2(x)$ are precisely my $y_1$ and $y_2$?
$endgroup$
– Junglemath
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
Are you saying that I can find $p_1(x)$ and $p_2(x)$ in general by using the extended Euclidean algorithm, and that $p_1(x)$ and $p_2(x)$ are precisely my $y_1$ and $y_2$?
$endgroup$
– Junglemath
7 hours ago
add a comment |
2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
$begingroup$
To find $y_1$ and $y_2$ consider solving the problem
$$y_1x^4+y_2(x^2+1)=1.$$
This is not always easy to solve, but in this case a solution comes to mind. Note that by difference of squares
$$(x^2-1)(x^2+1)=x^4-1,$$
hence
$$x^4+[(-1)(x^2-1)](x^2+1)=1.$$
This tells us that we can choose
$$y_1=1,$$
$$y_2=(1-x^2).$$
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
Is there an algorithmic way of solving these, rather than relying on intuition?
$endgroup$
– Junglemath
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Junglemath By Euclidean algorithm you can find two polynomials $p(x), q(x) in mathbbQ[x]$ such that $p(x) x^4 + q(x) (x^2 + 1) = 1$.
$endgroup$
– Paolo
7 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
@Junglemath The polynomials over a field form a Euclidean Domain, so yes, there is. If the gcd of $f_1,f_2inmathbbQ[x]$ is a unit, then you can perform the Euclidean Algorithm to find their gcd. Now, you can reverse the algorithm to write them as a linear combination of their gcd the same way you would for integers. I said not easy, because the process can be time consuming and very tedious.
$endgroup$
– Melody
7 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
@Junglemath I didn't really convert it. I knew in advanced the single equation had a solution. This is because $x^4$ and $x^2+1$ have no common roots, hence no common irreducible factors. This means they are relatively prime, in which case we can write $1$ as a linear combination. Knowing that, I knew solving the single equation would give rise to a solution to the congruence equations. This is completely analogous to how you can solve everything over the integers.
$endgroup$
– Melody
7 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
@Junglemath I describe here at length this method of scaling the Bezout equation into a CRT solution.
$endgroup$
– Bill Dubuque
6 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
$begingroup$
Bu applying $ abbmod ac, =, a(bbmod c) $ [Mod Distributive Law] $ $ it is a bit simpler:
$ f-x,bmod, x^large 4(x^large 2!+!1), =, x^large 4underbraceleft[dfraccolor#c00f-xcolor#0a0x^large 4bmod x^large 2!+!1right]_large color#0a0x^Large 4 equiv 1 rm by x^Large 2 equiv -1 =, x^large 4[1-x], $ by $,color#c00fequiv 1pmod!x^large 2!+!1$
Remark $ $ Here are further examples done using MDL (an operational form of CRT).
You can find further details here on transforming the Bezout equation into a CRT solution (the method sketched in Melody's answer).
$endgroup$
add a comment |
Your Answer
StackExchange.ready(function()
var channelOptions =
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "69"
;
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);
StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
createEditor();
);
else
createEditor();
);
function createEditor()
StackExchange.prepareEditor(
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: true,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: 10,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader:
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
,
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
);
);
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f3196235%2fadapting-the-chinese-remainder-theorem-crt-for-integers-to-polynomials%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
$begingroup$
To find $y_1$ and $y_2$ consider solving the problem
$$y_1x^4+y_2(x^2+1)=1.$$
This is not always easy to solve, but in this case a solution comes to mind. Note that by difference of squares
$$(x^2-1)(x^2+1)=x^4-1,$$
hence
$$x^4+[(-1)(x^2-1)](x^2+1)=1.$$
This tells us that we can choose
$$y_1=1,$$
$$y_2=(1-x^2).$$
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
Is there an algorithmic way of solving these, rather than relying on intuition?
$endgroup$
– Junglemath
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Junglemath By Euclidean algorithm you can find two polynomials $p(x), q(x) in mathbbQ[x]$ such that $p(x) x^4 + q(x) (x^2 + 1) = 1$.
$endgroup$
– Paolo
7 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
@Junglemath The polynomials over a field form a Euclidean Domain, so yes, there is. If the gcd of $f_1,f_2inmathbbQ[x]$ is a unit, then you can perform the Euclidean Algorithm to find their gcd. Now, you can reverse the algorithm to write them as a linear combination of their gcd the same way you would for integers. I said not easy, because the process can be time consuming and very tedious.
$endgroup$
– Melody
7 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
@Junglemath I didn't really convert it. I knew in advanced the single equation had a solution. This is because $x^4$ and $x^2+1$ have no common roots, hence no common irreducible factors. This means they are relatively prime, in which case we can write $1$ as a linear combination. Knowing that, I knew solving the single equation would give rise to a solution to the congruence equations. This is completely analogous to how you can solve everything over the integers.
$endgroup$
– Melody
7 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
@Junglemath I describe here at length this method of scaling the Bezout equation into a CRT solution.
$endgroup$
– Bill Dubuque
6 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
$begingroup$
To find $y_1$ and $y_2$ consider solving the problem
$$y_1x^4+y_2(x^2+1)=1.$$
This is not always easy to solve, but in this case a solution comes to mind. Note that by difference of squares
$$(x^2-1)(x^2+1)=x^4-1,$$
hence
$$x^4+[(-1)(x^2-1)](x^2+1)=1.$$
This tells us that we can choose
$$y_1=1,$$
$$y_2=(1-x^2).$$
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
Is there an algorithmic way of solving these, rather than relying on intuition?
$endgroup$
– Junglemath
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Junglemath By Euclidean algorithm you can find two polynomials $p(x), q(x) in mathbbQ[x]$ such that $p(x) x^4 + q(x) (x^2 + 1) = 1$.
$endgroup$
– Paolo
7 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
@Junglemath The polynomials over a field form a Euclidean Domain, so yes, there is. If the gcd of $f_1,f_2inmathbbQ[x]$ is a unit, then you can perform the Euclidean Algorithm to find their gcd. Now, you can reverse the algorithm to write them as a linear combination of their gcd the same way you would for integers. I said not easy, because the process can be time consuming and very tedious.
$endgroup$
– Melody
7 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
@Junglemath I didn't really convert it. I knew in advanced the single equation had a solution. This is because $x^4$ and $x^2+1$ have no common roots, hence no common irreducible factors. This means they are relatively prime, in which case we can write $1$ as a linear combination. Knowing that, I knew solving the single equation would give rise to a solution to the congruence equations. This is completely analogous to how you can solve everything over the integers.
$endgroup$
– Melody
7 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
@Junglemath I describe here at length this method of scaling the Bezout equation into a CRT solution.
$endgroup$
– Bill Dubuque
6 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
$begingroup$
To find $y_1$ and $y_2$ consider solving the problem
$$y_1x^4+y_2(x^2+1)=1.$$
This is not always easy to solve, but in this case a solution comes to mind. Note that by difference of squares
$$(x^2-1)(x^2+1)=x^4-1,$$
hence
$$x^4+[(-1)(x^2-1)](x^2+1)=1.$$
This tells us that we can choose
$$y_1=1,$$
$$y_2=(1-x^2).$$
$endgroup$
To find $y_1$ and $y_2$ consider solving the problem
$$y_1x^4+y_2(x^2+1)=1.$$
This is not always easy to solve, but in this case a solution comes to mind. Note that by difference of squares
$$(x^2-1)(x^2+1)=x^4-1,$$
hence
$$x^4+[(-1)(x^2-1)](x^2+1)=1.$$
This tells us that we can choose
$$y_1=1,$$
$$y_2=(1-x^2).$$
edited 7 hours ago
answered 8 hours ago
MelodyMelody
1,42212
1,42212
$begingroup$
Is there an algorithmic way of solving these, rather than relying on intuition?
$endgroup$
– Junglemath
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Junglemath By Euclidean algorithm you can find two polynomials $p(x), q(x) in mathbbQ[x]$ such that $p(x) x^4 + q(x) (x^2 + 1) = 1$.
$endgroup$
– Paolo
7 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
@Junglemath The polynomials over a field form a Euclidean Domain, so yes, there is. If the gcd of $f_1,f_2inmathbbQ[x]$ is a unit, then you can perform the Euclidean Algorithm to find their gcd. Now, you can reverse the algorithm to write them as a linear combination of their gcd the same way you would for integers. I said not easy, because the process can be time consuming and very tedious.
$endgroup$
– Melody
7 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
@Junglemath I didn't really convert it. I knew in advanced the single equation had a solution. This is because $x^4$ and $x^2+1$ have no common roots, hence no common irreducible factors. This means they are relatively prime, in which case we can write $1$ as a linear combination. Knowing that, I knew solving the single equation would give rise to a solution to the congruence equations. This is completely analogous to how you can solve everything over the integers.
$endgroup$
– Melody
7 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
@Junglemath I describe here at length this method of scaling the Bezout equation into a CRT solution.
$endgroup$
– Bill Dubuque
6 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
$begingroup$
Is there an algorithmic way of solving these, rather than relying on intuition?
$endgroup$
– Junglemath
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Junglemath By Euclidean algorithm you can find two polynomials $p(x), q(x) in mathbbQ[x]$ such that $p(x) x^4 + q(x) (x^2 + 1) = 1$.
$endgroup$
– Paolo
7 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
@Junglemath The polynomials over a field form a Euclidean Domain, so yes, there is. If the gcd of $f_1,f_2inmathbbQ[x]$ is a unit, then you can perform the Euclidean Algorithm to find their gcd. Now, you can reverse the algorithm to write them as a linear combination of their gcd the same way you would for integers. I said not easy, because the process can be time consuming and very tedious.
$endgroup$
– Melody
7 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
@Junglemath I didn't really convert it. I knew in advanced the single equation had a solution. This is because $x^4$ and $x^2+1$ have no common roots, hence no common irreducible factors. This means they are relatively prime, in which case we can write $1$ as a linear combination. Knowing that, I knew solving the single equation would give rise to a solution to the congruence equations. This is completely analogous to how you can solve everything over the integers.
$endgroup$
– Melody
7 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
@Junglemath I describe here at length this method of scaling the Bezout equation into a CRT solution.
$endgroup$
– Bill Dubuque
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
Is there an algorithmic way of solving these, rather than relying on intuition?
$endgroup$
– Junglemath
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
Is there an algorithmic way of solving these, rather than relying on intuition?
$endgroup$
– Junglemath
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Junglemath By Euclidean algorithm you can find two polynomials $p(x), q(x) in mathbbQ[x]$ such that $p(x) x^4 + q(x) (x^2 + 1) = 1$.
$endgroup$
– Paolo
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Junglemath By Euclidean algorithm you can find two polynomials $p(x), q(x) in mathbbQ[x]$ such that $p(x) x^4 + q(x) (x^2 + 1) = 1$.
$endgroup$
– Paolo
7 hours ago
2
2
$begingroup$
@Junglemath The polynomials over a field form a Euclidean Domain, so yes, there is. If the gcd of $f_1,f_2inmathbbQ[x]$ is a unit, then you can perform the Euclidean Algorithm to find their gcd. Now, you can reverse the algorithm to write them as a linear combination of their gcd the same way you would for integers. I said not easy, because the process can be time consuming and very tedious.
$endgroup$
– Melody
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Junglemath The polynomials over a field form a Euclidean Domain, so yes, there is. If the gcd of $f_1,f_2inmathbbQ[x]$ is a unit, then you can perform the Euclidean Algorithm to find their gcd. Now, you can reverse the algorithm to write them as a linear combination of their gcd the same way you would for integers. I said not easy, because the process can be time consuming and very tedious.
$endgroup$
– Melody
7 hours ago
2
2
$begingroup$
@Junglemath I didn't really convert it. I knew in advanced the single equation had a solution. This is because $x^4$ and $x^2+1$ have no common roots, hence no common irreducible factors. This means they are relatively prime, in which case we can write $1$ as a linear combination. Knowing that, I knew solving the single equation would give rise to a solution to the congruence equations. This is completely analogous to how you can solve everything over the integers.
$endgroup$
– Melody
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Junglemath I didn't really convert it. I knew in advanced the single equation had a solution. This is because $x^4$ and $x^2+1$ have no common roots, hence no common irreducible factors. This means they are relatively prime, in which case we can write $1$ as a linear combination. Knowing that, I knew solving the single equation would give rise to a solution to the congruence equations. This is completely analogous to how you can solve everything over the integers.
$endgroup$
– Melody
7 hours ago
2
2
$begingroup$
@Junglemath I describe here at length this method of scaling the Bezout equation into a CRT solution.
$endgroup$
– Bill Dubuque
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Junglemath I describe here at length this method of scaling the Bezout equation into a CRT solution.
$endgroup$
– Bill Dubuque
6 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
$begingroup$
Bu applying $ abbmod ac, =, a(bbmod c) $ [Mod Distributive Law] $ $ it is a bit simpler:
$ f-x,bmod, x^large 4(x^large 2!+!1), =, x^large 4underbraceleft[dfraccolor#c00f-xcolor#0a0x^large 4bmod x^large 2!+!1right]_large color#0a0x^Large 4 equiv 1 rm by x^Large 2 equiv -1 =, x^large 4[1-x], $ by $,color#c00fequiv 1pmod!x^large 2!+!1$
Remark $ $ Here are further examples done using MDL (an operational form of CRT).
You can find further details here on transforming the Bezout equation into a CRT solution (the method sketched in Melody's answer).
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Bu applying $ abbmod ac, =, a(bbmod c) $ [Mod Distributive Law] $ $ it is a bit simpler:
$ f-x,bmod, x^large 4(x^large 2!+!1), =, x^large 4underbraceleft[dfraccolor#c00f-xcolor#0a0x^large 4bmod x^large 2!+!1right]_large color#0a0x^Large 4 equiv 1 rm by x^Large 2 equiv -1 =, x^large 4[1-x], $ by $,color#c00fequiv 1pmod!x^large 2!+!1$
Remark $ $ Here are further examples done using MDL (an operational form of CRT).
You can find further details here on transforming the Bezout equation into a CRT solution (the method sketched in Melody's answer).
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Bu applying $ abbmod ac, =, a(bbmod c) $ [Mod Distributive Law] $ $ it is a bit simpler:
$ f-x,bmod, x^large 4(x^large 2!+!1), =, x^large 4underbraceleft[dfraccolor#c00f-xcolor#0a0x^large 4bmod x^large 2!+!1right]_large color#0a0x^Large 4 equiv 1 rm by x^Large 2 equiv -1 =, x^large 4[1-x], $ by $,color#c00fequiv 1pmod!x^large 2!+!1$
Remark $ $ Here are further examples done using MDL (an operational form of CRT).
You can find further details here on transforming the Bezout equation into a CRT solution (the method sketched in Melody's answer).
$endgroup$
Bu applying $ abbmod ac, =, a(bbmod c) $ [Mod Distributive Law] $ $ it is a bit simpler:
$ f-x,bmod, x^large 4(x^large 2!+!1), =, x^large 4underbraceleft[dfraccolor#c00f-xcolor#0a0x^large 4bmod x^large 2!+!1right]_large color#0a0x^Large 4 equiv 1 rm by x^Large 2 equiv -1 =, x^large 4[1-x], $ by $,color#c00fequiv 1pmod!x^large 2!+!1$
Remark $ $ Here are further examples done using MDL (an operational form of CRT).
You can find further details here on transforming the Bezout equation into a CRT solution (the method sketched in Melody's answer).
edited 6 hours ago
answered 6 hours ago
Bill DubuqueBill Dubuque
214k29198660
214k29198660
add a comment |
add a comment |
Thanks for contributing an answer to Mathematics Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f3196235%2fadapting-the-chinese-remainder-theorem-crt-for-integers-to-polynomials%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
1
$begingroup$
"Having checked that the moduli are relatively prime..." but that means precisely that there exist $p_1(x)$ and $p_2(x)$ such that $p_1(x)x^4 + p_2(x)(x^2+1)=1$.
$endgroup$
– kccu
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
Are you saying that I can find $p_1(x)$ and $p_2(x)$ in general by using the extended Euclidean algorithm, and that $p_1(x)$ and $p_2(x)$ are precisely my $y_1$ and $y_2$?
$endgroup$
– Junglemath
7 hours ago