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I will start by assuming that there is enough room and power in the IDFs to rack the new switches along with the old ones. If this is not the case, STOP RIGHT HERE. Three hours is waaaay too short a change window to remove and replace the switches. You will have to come up with a plan over multiple change windows to move one stack per window. Even then, you need to be sure you know exactly what is plugged in where.



You should configure the new switches "on the bench," meaning they should be fully configured and tested before you start moving cables.



To answer your specific questions:




What is the specific configuration on the switch so that some devices
would stay online as much as possible?




To minimize downtime, you need to have the old and new switches trunked together, so VLANs will exist on both old and new switches at the same time. Then, you can move cables one at a time from old to new.




Can I just reuse old configs from the old devices? what about the
PortChannel? can I use the same ones?




For the most part, the VLAN and interface configurations can probably stay the same, but I notice you have different number of switches in the old and new stacks, so some port numbers will change. There may be a few other things that may be hardware specific. If you post your configs, we can give you more detailed answer.






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    Just to add: if the cables aren't labeled yet you'd want to do that now.

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  • Another addition, one of the most important bench tests would be to power cycle and verify settings after. This should help to remember to save to flash, which has burnt me in the past.

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In addition to the excellent answer about the switches themselves ...



Testing



Consider:



  • Exactly what tests will qualify the new setup as satisfactory?

  • Can you run the tests continuously?

  • Can you do a practice run? (Perhaps without actually replugging anything)

  • How long will it take you to reverse to the old equipment?

As examples, perhaps you can automate ping tests to your entire set of devices, and have that running continuously. Then, as each device moves from old to new, a brief failure will show, followed by recovery. If seeing that happen is just looking over to a screen, that's much quicker than having to sit and manually perform some tests.



What happens if it fails?



You've said the network is a hospital with an ICU.



Suppose it fails half-way through, for any reason whatsoever, the consequences for an ICU are very possibly life-threatening.



Things I'd consider:



  • Do I have backup staff who can reverse to a known good state?

  • Do I have a clear cut-off time to commit to the new equipment?

The reasons for the failure can be as unpredictable as network staff family or medical emergency, equipment theft, terrorist event -- all of which have happened to projects of mine. Never mind surprise equipment bugs or mistaken parameters and project underestimation.



Ground control



  • Do I have a "ground control" person authourised to abort the cutover if they see it going wrong?

Nobody ever plans to get into the situation where the networking staff are over-tired and over-stressed and thing "just a few more minutes" will fix it. But it happens with surprising frequency. One way to avoid the threat of overwhelmed technical staff is to have a "ground control" person who knows the schedule and knows how and when to order a reverse to the known-good state. I put in measures like this on high-stress projects as mental health protection after seeing over-committed staff work until they dropped -- thankfully only large commercial and never medical projects. If they do that and fall asleep without proven project completion on mission critical projects it's awful costly. The more important the project, the more likely people will push themselves hard if it goes wrong, and many are unaware of their own endurance limits.






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I will start by assuming that there is enough room and power in the IDFs to rack the new switches along with the old ones. If this is not the case, STOP RIGHT HERE. Three hours is waaaay too short a change window to remove and replace the switches. You will have to come up with a plan over multiple change windows to move one stack per window. Even then, you need to be sure you know exactly what is plugged in where.



You should configure the new switches "on the bench," meaning they should be fully configured and tested before you start moving cables.



To answer your specific questions:




What is the specific configuration on the switch so that some devices
would stay online as much as possible?




To minimize downtime, you need to have the old and new switches trunked together, so VLANs will exist on both old and new switches at the same time. Then, you can move cables one at a time from old to new.




Can I just reuse old configs from the old devices? what about the
PortChannel? can I use the same ones?




For the most part, the VLAN and interface configurations can probably stay the same, but I notice you have different number of switches in the old and new stacks, so some port numbers will change. There may be a few other things that may be hardware specific. If you post your configs, we can give you more detailed answer.






share|improve this answer


















  • 3





    Just to add: if the cables aren't labeled yet you'd want to do that now.

    – Zac67
    7 hours ago











  • Another addition, one of the most important bench tests would be to power cycle and verify settings after. This should help to remember to save to flash, which has burnt me in the past.

    – Ben
    4 hours ago















8














I will start by assuming that there is enough room and power in the IDFs to rack the new switches along with the old ones. If this is not the case, STOP RIGHT HERE. Three hours is waaaay too short a change window to remove and replace the switches. You will have to come up with a plan over multiple change windows to move one stack per window. Even then, you need to be sure you know exactly what is plugged in where.



You should configure the new switches "on the bench," meaning they should be fully configured and tested before you start moving cables.



To answer your specific questions:




What is the specific configuration on the switch so that some devices
would stay online as much as possible?




To minimize downtime, you need to have the old and new switches trunked together, so VLANs will exist on both old and new switches at the same time. Then, you can move cables one at a time from old to new.




Can I just reuse old configs from the old devices? what about the
PortChannel? can I use the same ones?




For the most part, the VLAN and interface configurations can probably stay the same, but I notice you have different number of switches in the old and new stacks, so some port numbers will change. There may be a few other things that may be hardware specific. If you post your configs, we can give you more detailed answer.






share|improve this answer


















  • 3





    Just to add: if the cables aren't labeled yet you'd want to do that now.

    – Zac67
    7 hours ago











  • Another addition, one of the most important bench tests would be to power cycle and verify settings after. This should help to remember to save to flash, which has burnt me in the past.

    – Ben
    4 hours ago













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I will start by assuming that there is enough room and power in the IDFs to rack the new switches along with the old ones. If this is not the case, STOP RIGHT HERE. Three hours is waaaay too short a change window to remove and replace the switches. You will have to come up with a plan over multiple change windows to move one stack per window. Even then, you need to be sure you know exactly what is plugged in where.



You should configure the new switches "on the bench," meaning they should be fully configured and tested before you start moving cables.



To answer your specific questions:




What is the specific configuration on the switch so that some devices
would stay online as much as possible?




To minimize downtime, you need to have the old and new switches trunked together, so VLANs will exist on both old and new switches at the same time. Then, you can move cables one at a time from old to new.




Can I just reuse old configs from the old devices? what about the
PortChannel? can I use the same ones?




For the most part, the VLAN and interface configurations can probably stay the same, but I notice you have different number of switches in the old and new stacks, so some port numbers will change. There may be a few other things that may be hardware specific. If you post your configs, we can give you more detailed answer.






share|improve this answer













I will start by assuming that there is enough room and power in the IDFs to rack the new switches along with the old ones. If this is not the case, STOP RIGHT HERE. Three hours is waaaay too short a change window to remove and replace the switches. You will have to come up with a plan over multiple change windows to move one stack per window. Even then, you need to be sure you know exactly what is plugged in where.



You should configure the new switches "on the bench," meaning they should be fully configured and tested before you start moving cables.



To answer your specific questions:




What is the specific configuration on the switch so that some devices
would stay online as much as possible?




To minimize downtime, you need to have the old and new switches trunked together, so VLANs will exist on both old and new switches at the same time. Then, you can move cables one at a time from old to new.




Can I just reuse old configs from the old devices? what about the
PortChannel? can I use the same ones?




For the most part, the VLAN and interface configurations can probably stay the same, but I notice you have different number of switches in the old and new stacks, so some port numbers will change. There may be a few other things that may be hardware specific. If you post your configs, we can give you more detailed answer.







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  • 3





    Just to add: if the cables aren't labeled yet you'd want to do that now.

    – Zac67
    7 hours ago











  • Another addition, one of the most important bench tests would be to power cycle and verify settings after. This should help to remember to save to flash, which has burnt me in the past.

    – Ben
    4 hours ago












  • 3





    Just to add: if the cables aren't labeled yet you'd want to do that now.

    – Zac67
    7 hours ago











  • Another addition, one of the most important bench tests would be to power cycle and verify settings after. This should help to remember to save to flash, which has burnt me in the past.

    – Ben
    4 hours ago







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3





Just to add: if the cables aren't labeled yet you'd want to do that now.

– Zac67
7 hours ago





Just to add: if the cables aren't labeled yet you'd want to do that now.

– Zac67
7 hours ago













Another addition, one of the most important bench tests would be to power cycle and verify settings after. This should help to remember to save to flash, which has burnt me in the past.

– Ben
4 hours ago





Another addition, one of the most important bench tests would be to power cycle and verify settings after. This should help to remember to save to flash, which has burnt me in the past.

– Ben
4 hours ago











7














In addition to the excellent answer about the switches themselves ...



Testing



Consider:



  • Exactly what tests will qualify the new setup as satisfactory?

  • Can you run the tests continuously?

  • Can you do a practice run? (Perhaps without actually replugging anything)

  • How long will it take you to reverse to the old equipment?

As examples, perhaps you can automate ping tests to your entire set of devices, and have that running continuously. Then, as each device moves from old to new, a brief failure will show, followed by recovery. If seeing that happen is just looking over to a screen, that's much quicker than having to sit and manually perform some tests.



What happens if it fails?



You've said the network is a hospital with an ICU.



Suppose it fails half-way through, for any reason whatsoever, the consequences for an ICU are very possibly life-threatening.



Things I'd consider:



  • Do I have backup staff who can reverse to a known good state?

  • Do I have a clear cut-off time to commit to the new equipment?

The reasons for the failure can be as unpredictable as network staff family or medical emergency, equipment theft, terrorist event -- all of which have happened to projects of mine. Never mind surprise equipment bugs or mistaken parameters and project underestimation.



Ground control



  • Do I have a "ground control" person authourised to abort the cutover if they see it going wrong?

Nobody ever plans to get into the situation where the networking staff are over-tired and over-stressed and thing "just a few more minutes" will fix it. But it happens with surprising frequency. One way to avoid the threat of overwhelmed technical staff is to have a "ground control" person who knows the schedule and knows how and when to order a reverse to the known-good state. I put in measures like this on high-stress projects as mental health protection after seeing over-committed staff work until they dropped -- thankfully only large commercial and never medical projects. If they do that and fall asleep without proven project completion on mission critical projects it's awful costly. The more important the project, the more likely people will push themselves hard if it goes wrong, and many are unaware of their own endurance limits.






share|improve this answer


















  • 1





    All excellent points. In addition, for critical equipment, you should verify satisfactory operation of each device as it is moved to the new switches before moving on the the next one.

    – Ron Trunk
    6 hours ago















7














In addition to the excellent answer about the switches themselves ...



Testing



Consider:



  • Exactly what tests will qualify the new setup as satisfactory?

  • Can you run the tests continuously?

  • Can you do a practice run? (Perhaps without actually replugging anything)

  • How long will it take you to reverse to the old equipment?

As examples, perhaps you can automate ping tests to your entire set of devices, and have that running continuously. Then, as each device moves from old to new, a brief failure will show, followed by recovery. If seeing that happen is just looking over to a screen, that's much quicker than having to sit and manually perform some tests.



What happens if it fails?



You've said the network is a hospital with an ICU.



Suppose it fails half-way through, for any reason whatsoever, the consequences for an ICU are very possibly life-threatening.



Things I'd consider:



  • Do I have backup staff who can reverse to a known good state?

  • Do I have a clear cut-off time to commit to the new equipment?

The reasons for the failure can be as unpredictable as network staff family or medical emergency, equipment theft, terrorist event -- all of which have happened to projects of mine. Never mind surprise equipment bugs or mistaken parameters and project underestimation.



Ground control



  • Do I have a "ground control" person authourised to abort the cutover if they see it going wrong?

Nobody ever plans to get into the situation where the networking staff are over-tired and over-stressed and thing "just a few more minutes" will fix it. But it happens with surprising frequency. One way to avoid the threat of overwhelmed technical staff is to have a "ground control" person who knows the schedule and knows how and when to order a reverse to the known-good state. I put in measures like this on high-stress projects as mental health protection after seeing over-committed staff work until they dropped -- thankfully only large commercial and never medical projects. If they do that and fall asleep without proven project completion on mission critical projects it's awful costly. The more important the project, the more likely people will push themselves hard if it goes wrong, and many are unaware of their own endurance limits.






share|improve this answer


















  • 1





    All excellent points. In addition, for critical equipment, you should verify satisfactory operation of each device as it is moved to the new switches before moving on the the next one.

    – Ron Trunk
    6 hours ago













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In addition to the excellent answer about the switches themselves ...



Testing



Consider:



  • Exactly what tests will qualify the new setup as satisfactory?

  • Can you run the tests continuously?

  • Can you do a practice run? (Perhaps without actually replugging anything)

  • How long will it take you to reverse to the old equipment?

As examples, perhaps you can automate ping tests to your entire set of devices, and have that running continuously. Then, as each device moves from old to new, a brief failure will show, followed by recovery. If seeing that happen is just looking over to a screen, that's much quicker than having to sit and manually perform some tests.



What happens if it fails?



You've said the network is a hospital with an ICU.



Suppose it fails half-way through, for any reason whatsoever, the consequences for an ICU are very possibly life-threatening.



Things I'd consider:



  • Do I have backup staff who can reverse to a known good state?

  • Do I have a clear cut-off time to commit to the new equipment?

The reasons for the failure can be as unpredictable as network staff family or medical emergency, equipment theft, terrorist event -- all of which have happened to projects of mine. Never mind surprise equipment bugs or mistaken parameters and project underestimation.



Ground control



  • Do I have a "ground control" person authourised to abort the cutover if they see it going wrong?

Nobody ever plans to get into the situation where the networking staff are over-tired and over-stressed and thing "just a few more minutes" will fix it. But it happens with surprising frequency. One way to avoid the threat of overwhelmed technical staff is to have a "ground control" person who knows the schedule and knows how and when to order a reverse to the known-good state. I put in measures like this on high-stress projects as mental health protection after seeing over-committed staff work until they dropped -- thankfully only large commercial and never medical projects. If they do that and fall asleep without proven project completion on mission critical projects it's awful costly. The more important the project, the more likely people will push themselves hard if it goes wrong, and many are unaware of their own endurance limits.






share|improve this answer













In addition to the excellent answer about the switches themselves ...



Testing



Consider:



  • Exactly what tests will qualify the new setup as satisfactory?

  • Can you run the tests continuously?

  • Can you do a practice run? (Perhaps without actually replugging anything)

  • How long will it take you to reverse to the old equipment?

As examples, perhaps you can automate ping tests to your entire set of devices, and have that running continuously. Then, as each device moves from old to new, a brief failure will show, followed by recovery. If seeing that happen is just looking over to a screen, that's much quicker than having to sit and manually perform some tests.



What happens if it fails?



You've said the network is a hospital with an ICU.



Suppose it fails half-way through, for any reason whatsoever, the consequences for an ICU are very possibly life-threatening.



Things I'd consider:



  • Do I have backup staff who can reverse to a known good state?

  • Do I have a clear cut-off time to commit to the new equipment?

The reasons for the failure can be as unpredictable as network staff family or medical emergency, equipment theft, terrorist event -- all of which have happened to projects of mine. Never mind surprise equipment bugs or mistaken parameters and project underestimation.



Ground control



  • Do I have a "ground control" person authourised to abort the cutover if they see it going wrong?

Nobody ever plans to get into the situation where the networking staff are over-tired and over-stressed and thing "just a few more minutes" will fix it. But it happens with surprising frequency. One way to avoid the threat of overwhelmed technical staff is to have a "ground control" person who knows the schedule and knows how and when to order a reverse to the known-good state. I put in measures like this on high-stress projects as mental health protection after seeing over-committed staff work until they dropped -- thankfully only large commercial and never medical projects. If they do that and fall asleep without proven project completion on mission critical projects it's awful costly. The more important the project, the more likely people will push themselves hard if it goes wrong, and many are unaware of their own endurance limits.







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    All excellent points. In addition, for critical equipment, you should verify satisfactory operation of each device as it is moved to the new switches before moving on the the next one.

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    All excellent points. In addition, for critical equipment, you should verify satisfactory operation of each device as it is moved to the new switches before moving on the the next one.

    – Ron Trunk
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– Ron Trunk
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