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What loss function is most appropriate when training a model with target values that are probabilities? For example, I have a 3-output model with x=[some features] and y=[0.2, 0.3, 0.5].



It seems like something like cross-entropy doesn't make sense here since it assumes that a single target is the correct label.



Would something like MSE (after applying softmax) make sense, or is there a better loss function?










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    What loss function is most appropriate when training a model with target values that are probabilities? For example, I have a 3-output model with x=[some features] and y=[0.2, 0.3, 0.5].



    It seems like something like cross-entropy doesn't make sense here since it assumes that a single target is the correct label.



    Would something like MSE (after applying softmax) make sense, or is there a better loss function?










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      What loss function is most appropriate when training a model with target values that are probabilities? For example, I have a 3-output model with x=[some features] and y=[0.2, 0.3, 0.5].



      It seems like something like cross-entropy doesn't make sense here since it assumes that a single target is the correct label.



      Would something like MSE (after applying softmax) make sense, or is there a better loss function?










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      It seems like something like cross-entropy doesn't make sense here since it assumes that a single target is the correct label.



      Would something like MSE (after applying softmax) make sense, or is there a better loss function?







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          Actually, the cross-entropy loss function would be appropriate here, since it measures the "distance" between a distribution $q$ and the "true" distribution $p$.



          You are right, though, that using a loss function called "cross_entropy" in many APIs would be a mistake. This is because these functions, as you said, assume a one-hot label. You would need to use the general cross-entropy function,



          $$H(p,q)=-sum_xin X p(x) log q(x).$$
          $ $



          Note that one-hot labels would mean that
          $$
          p(x) =
          begincases
          1 & textif x text is the true label\
          0 & textotherwise
          endcases$$



          which causes the cross-entropy $H(p,q)$ to reduce to the form you're familiar with:



          $$H(p,q) = -log q(x_label)$$






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            Actually, the cross-entropy loss function would be appropriate here, since it measures the "distance" between a distribution $q$ and the "true" distribution $p$.



            You are right, though, that using a loss function called "cross_entropy" in many APIs would be a mistake. This is because these functions, as you said, assume a one-hot label. You would need to use the general cross-entropy function,



            $$H(p,q)=-sum_xin X p(x) log q(x).$$
            $ $



            Note that one-hot labels would mean that
            $$
            p(x) =
            begincases
            1 & textif x text is the true label\
            0 & textotherwise
            endcases$$



            which causes the cross-entropy $H(p,q)$ to reduce to the form you're familiar with:



            $$H(p,q) = -log q(x_label)$$






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              Actually, the cross-entropy loss function would be appropriate here, since it measures the "distance" between a distribution $q$ and the "true" distribution $p$.



              You are right, though, that using a loss function called "cross_entropy" in many APIs would be a mistake. This is because these functions, as you said, assume a one-hot label. You would need to use the general cross-entropy function,



              $$H(p,q)=-sum_xin X p(x) log q(x).$$
              $ $



              Note that one-hot labels would mean that
              $$
              p(x) =
              begincases
              1 & textif x text is the true label\
              0 & textotherwise
              endcases$$



              which causes the cross-entropy $H(p,q)$ to reduce to the form you're familiar with:



              $$H(p,q) = -log q(x_label)$$






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                Actually, the cross-entropy loss function would be appropriate here, since it measures the "distance" between a distribution $q$ and the "true" distribution $p$.



                You are right, though, that using a loss function called "cross_entropy" in many APIs would be a mistake. This is because these functions, as you said, assume a one-hot label. You would need to use the general cross-entropy function,



                $$H(p,q)=-sum_xin X p(x) log q(x).$$
                $ $



                Note that one-hot labels would mean that
                $$
                p(x) =
                begincases
                1 & textif x text is the true label\
                0 & textotherwise
                endcases$$



                which causes the cross-entropy $H(p,q)$ to reduce to the form you're familiar with:



                $$H(p,q) = -log q(x_label)$$






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                Actually, the cross-entropy loss function would be appropriate here, since it measures the "distance" between a distribution $q$ and the "true" distribution $p$.



                You are right, though, that using a loss function called "cross_entropy" in many APIs would be a mistake. This is because these functions, as you said, assume a one-hot label. You would need to use the general cross-entropy function,



                $$H(p,q)=-sum_xin X p(x) log q(x).$$
                $ $



                Note that one-hot labels would mean that
                $$
                p(x) =
                begincases
                1 & textif x text is the true label\
                0 & textotherwise
                endcases$$



                which causes the cross-entropy $H(p,q)$ to reduce to the form you're familiar with:



                $$H(p,q) = -log q(x_label)$$







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