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Planeswalker Ability and Death Timing



The Next CEO of Stack OverflowWhat happens when a creature with Persist AND Undying dies? ('return to battlefield' issues…)Does Doubling Season affect planeswalkers?Can you use a planeswalker ability even if the planeswaker doesn't have enough loyalty?What happens if you activate a loyalty ability from a creature instead of a planeswalker?If a Creature-Planeswalker blocks a creature with infect, what happens?Combo question: urborg tomb of yawgmoth, torpor orb, kormus bell, dark depths = free Marit Lage?Will transforming Thing in the Ice with a token-summoning spell bounce my tokens?Instantaneous creature death and checking conditionsMTG planeswalker-flicker rulingDoes blinking a Planeswalker restore its loyalty?










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A planeswalker with 7 loyalty counters has:



  • a –7 loyalty ability that creates a 5/5 dinosaur token

  • a passive ability that makes all summoned dinosaurs enter the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter.

Would the dinosaur summoned be a 6/6 or a 5/5?



My guess would be 5/5 as the planeswalker dies first, then the ability resolves.










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  • What planeswalker is this? I wasn't aware of any planewalkers with any static abilities.

    – GendoIkari
    6 hours ago






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    In the upcoming set War of the Spark all of the planeswalkers have static or triggered abilities. However, the one described in this question does not seem to have been spoiled yet.

    – murgatroid99
    6 hours ago











  • Ah, cool. I always miss the new set mechanics articles when they first come out.

    – GendoIkari
    6 hours ago











  • Not a real planeswalker a friens of mine stitched it together as a Dreadmaw meme and that question came up, sorry if I caused any confusion.

    – gerildIr
    1 hour ago















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A planeswalker with 7 loyalty counters has:



  • a –7 loyalty ability that creates a 5/5 dinosaur token

  • a passive ability that makes all summoned dinosaurs enter the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter.

Would the dinosaur summoned be a 6/6 or a 5/5?



My guess would be 5/5 as the planeswalker dies first, then the ability resolves.










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  • What planeswalker is this? I wasn't aware of any planewalkers with any static abilities.

    – GendoIkari
    6 hours ago






  • 3





    In the upcoming set War of the Spark all of the planeswalkers have static or triggered abilities. However, the one described in this question does not seem to have been spoiled yet.

    – murgatroid99
    6 hours ago











  • Ah, cool. I always miss the new set mechanics articles when they first come out.

    – GendoIkari
    6 hours ago











  • Not a real planeswalker a friens of mine stitched it together as a Dreadmaw meme and that question came up, sorry if I caused any confusion.

    – gerildIr
    1 hour ago













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A planeswalker with 7 loyalty counters has:



  • a –7 loyalty ability that creates a 5/5 dinosaur token

  • a passive ability that makes all summoned dinosaurs enter the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter.

Would the dinosaur summoned be a 6/6 or a 5/5?



My guess would be 5/5 as the planeswalker dies first, then the ability resolves.










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A planeswalker with 7 loyalty counters has:



  • a –7 loyalty ability that creates a 5/5 dinosaur token

  • a passive ability that makes all summoned dinosaurs enter the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter.

Would the dinosaur summoned be a 6/6 or a 5/5?



My guess would be 5/5 as the planeswalker dies first, then the ability resolves.







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  • What planeswalker is this? I wasn't aware of any planewalkers with any static abilities.

    – GendoIkari
    6 hours ago






  • 3





    In the upcoming set War of the Spark all of the planeswalkers have static or triggered abilities. However, the one described in this question does not seem to have been spoiled yet.

    – murgatroid99
    6 hours ago











  • Ah, cool. I always miss the new set mechanics articles when they first come out.

    – GendoIkari
    6 hours ago











  • Not a real planeswalker a friens of mine stitched it together as a Dreadmaw meme and that question came up, sorry if I caused any confusion.

    – gerildIr
    1 hour ago

















  • What planeswalker is this? I wasn't aware of any planewalkers with any static abilities.

    – GendoIkari
    6 hours ago






  • 3





    In the upcoming set War of the Spark all of the planeswalkers have static or triggered abilities. However, the one described in this question does not seem to have been spoiled yet.

    – murgatroid99
    6 hours ago











  • Ah, cool. I always miss the new set mechanics articles when they first come out.

    – GendoIkari
    6 hours ago











  • Not a real planeswalker a friens of mine stitched it together as a Dreadmaw meme and that question came up, sorry if I caused any confusion.

    – gerildIr
    1 hour ago
















What planeswalker is this? I wasn't aware of any planewalkers with any static abilities.

– GendoIkari
6 hours ago





What planeswalker is this? I wasn't aware of any planewalkers with any static abilities.

– GendoIkari
6 hours ago




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3





In the upcoming set War of the Spark all of the planeswalkers have static or triggered abilities. However, the one described in this question does not seem to have been spoiled yet.

– murgatroid99
6 hours ago





In the upcoming set War of the Spark all of the planeswalkers have static or triggered abilities. However, the one described in this question does not seem to have been spoiled yet.

– murgatroid99
6 hours ago













Ah, cool. I always miss the new set mechanics articles when they first come out.

– GendoIkari
6 hours ago





Ah, cool. I always miss the new set mechanics articles when they first come out.

– GendoIkari
6 hours ago













Not a real planeswalker a friens of mine stitched it together as a Dreadmaw meme and that question came up, sorry if I caused any confusion.

– gerildIr
1 hour ago





Not a real planeswalker a friens of mine stitched it together as a Dreadmaw meme and that question came up, sorry if I caused any confusion.

– gerildIr
1 hour ago










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The dinosaur enters the battlefield as a 5/5 because, as you say, the planeswalker will be dead before the ability resolves. This is the exact sequence of events:



  1. You activate the planeswalker's ability, removing 7 loyalty counters to pay the ability's cost.

  2. The planeswalker dies as a state-based action because it has no loyalty counters.

  3. The ability resolves and the dinosaur enters the battlefield.





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    After the loyalty ability goes on the stack, state based actions are being checked; they'll see a planeswalker without loyalty counters and it's put into the graveyard.



    The ability will resolve (if nothing else happens) and create a token 'long' after the planeswalker is gone, so it won't enter the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter.






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      The dinosaur enters the battlefield as a 5/5 because, as you say, the planeswalker will be dead before the ability resolves. This is the exact sequence of events:



      1. You activate the planeswalker's ability, removing 7 loyalty counters to pay the ability's cost.

      2. The planeswalker dies as a state-based action because it has no loyalty counters.

      3. The ability resolves and the dinosaur enters the battlefield.





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        The dinosaur enters the battlefield as a 5/5 because, as you say, the planeswalker will be dead before the ability resolves. This is the exact sequence of events:



        1. You activate the planeswalker's ability, removing 7 loyalty counters to pay the ability's cost.

        2. The planeswalker dies as a state-based action because it has no loyalty counters.

        3. The ability resolves and the dinosaur enters the battlefield.





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          The dinosaur enters the battlefield as a 5/5 because, as you say, the planeswalker will be dead before the ability resolves. This is the exact sequence of events:



          1. You activate the planeswalker's ability, removing 7 loyalty counters to pay the ability's cost.

          2. The planeswalker dies as a state-based action because it has no loyalty counters.

          3. The ability resolves and the dinosaur enters the battlefield.





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          The dinosaur enters the battlefield as a 5/5 because, as you say, the planeswalker will be dead before the ability resolves. This is the exact sequence of events:



          1. You activate the planeswalker's ability, removing 7 loyalty counters to pay the ability's cost.

          2. The planeswalker dies as a state-based action because it has no loyalty counters.

          3. The ability resolves and the dinosaur enters the battlefield.






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              After the loyalty ability goes on the stack, state based actions are being checked; they'll see a planeswalker without loyalty counters and it's put into the graveyard.



              The ability will resolve (if nothing else happens) and create a token 'long' after the planeswalker is gone, so it won't enter the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter.






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                After the loyalty ability goes on the stack, state based actions are being checked; they'll see a planeswalker without loyalty counters and it's put into the graveyard.



                The ability will resolve (if nothing else happens) and create a token 'long' after the planeswalker is gone, so it won't enter the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter.






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                  After the loyalty ability goes on the stack, state based actions are being checked; they'll see a planeswalker without loyalty counters and it's put into the graveyard.



                  The ability will resolve (if nothing else happens) and create a token 'long' after the planeswalker is gone, so it won't enter the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter.






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                  After the loyalty ability goes on the stack, state based actions are being checked; they'll see a planeswalker without loyalty counters and it's put into the graveyard.



                  The ability will resolve (if nothing else happens) and create a token 'long' after the planeswalker is gone, so it won't enter the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter.







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