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Crossing the line between justified force and brutality
How can I strike a balance between setting and plot?What is the difference between a complication/twist and a situation?At what point disappointment and frustration within the story makes the reader abandon it?What is difference between clown and trickster?What is the difference between character-driven stories and plot-driven stories?Is it okay to switch protagonists between books, if the main protagonist is a hidden “actor”?Choosing between two people in a romance?Is there a balance between a page-turning read and an exhausting 'too much' reading experience?How do you prevent whiplash when transitioning between comedy and tragedy?how can I showcase the internal struggles between a man and his demons?
A beta reader of sorts (cousin) mentioned he thought my MC2 rather brutal in her capture of MC1 - though justified.
I have her dupe him into surrendering (believing himself outnumbered and outgunned). Once he does surrender, she does the following:
- searches him
- disarms him
- handcuffs him
- binds his elbows to prevent escape
- rigs a chokehold out of a dog leash
- threatens him with a hunting knife
- holds him at gun point
- threatens to geld him (psychological tactic only)
She is successful in convincing him that any unsanctioned movement is a bad idea. She uses these tactics because she is smaller than he is and she would lose in a fight. She cannot allow him, at that moment, to consider resisting.
Has she crossed the line between using justified force to bring in a dangerous prisoner and brutality?
It occurs in Bolivia shortly after an assassination.
characters plot
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A beta reader of sorts (cousin) mentioned he thought my MC2 rather brutal in her capture of MC1 - though justified.
I have her dupe him into surrendering (believing himself outnumbered and outgunned). Once he does surrender, she does the following:
- searches him
- disarms him
- handcuffs him
- binds his elbows to prevent escape
- rigs a chokehold out of a dog leash
- threatens him with a hunting knife
- holds him at gun point
- threatens to geld him (psychological tactic only)
She is successful in convincing him that any unsanctioned movement is a bad idea. She uses these tactics because she is smaller than he is and she would lose in a fight. She cannot allow him, at that moment, to consider resisting.
Has she crossed the line between using justified force to bring in a dangerous prisoner and brutality?
It occurs in Bolivia shortly after an assassination.
characters plot
2
Assuming the detainer is a police officer, in many jurisdictions this would be considered unnecessary force, i.e. illegal, and would likely result in the detainee having to be released.
– Arkenstein XII
3 hours ago
Is she highly trained at apprehending prisoners? (It sounds like she is, but I'd like to hear it explicitly)
– bruglesco
3 hours ago
Yes, she is. Her concern was she was without backup and if he resists, her chance to apprehend him is gone.
– Rasdashan
2 hours ago
add a comment |
A beta reader of sorts (cousin) mentioned he thought my MC2 rather brutal in her capture of MC1 - though justified.
I have her dupe him into surrendering (believing himself outnumbered and outgunned). Once he does surrender, she does the following:
- searches him
- disarms him
- handcuffs him
- binds his elbows to prevent escape
- rigs a chokehold out of a dog leash
- threatens him with a hunting knife
- holds him at gun point
- threatens to geld him (psychological tactic only)
She is successful in convincing him that any unsanctioned movement is a bad idea. She uses these tactics because she is smaller than he is and she would lose in a fight. She cannot allow him, at that moment, to consider resisting.
Has she crossed the line between using justified force to bring in a dangerous prisoner and brutality?
It occurs in Bolivia shortly after an assassination.
characters plot
A beta reader of sorts (cousin) mentioned he thought my MC2 rather brutal in her capture of MC1 - though justified.
I have her dupe him into surrendering (believing himself outnumbered and outgunned). Once he does surrender, she does the following:
- searches him
- disarms him
- handcuffs him
- binds his elbows to prevent escape
- rigs a chokehold out of a dog leash
- threatens him with a hunting knife
- holds him at gun point
- threatens to geld him (psychological tactic only)
She is successful in convincing him that any unsanctioned movement is a bad idea. She uses these tactics because she is smaller than he is and she would lose in a fight. She cannot allow him, at that moment, to consider resisting.
Has she crossed the line between using justified force to bring in a dangerous prisoner and brutality?
It occurs in Bolivia shortly after an assassination.
characters plot
characters plot
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Assuming the detainer is a police officer, in many jurisdictions this would be considered unnecessary force, i.e. illegal, and would likely result in the detainee having to be released.
– Arkenstein XII
3 hours ago
Is she highly trained at apprehending prisoners? (It sounds like she is, but I'd like to hear it explicitly)
– bruglesco
3 hours ago
Yes, she is. Her concern was she was without backup and if he resists, her chance to apprehend him is gone.
– Rasdashan
2 hours ago
add a comment |
2
Assuming the detainer is a police officer, in many jurisdictions this would be considered unnecessary force, i.e. illegal, and would likely result in the detainee having to be released.
– Arkenstein XII
3 hours ago
Is she highly trained at apprehending prisoners? (It sounds like she is, but I'd like to hear it explicitly)
– bruglesco
3 hours ago
Yes, she is. Her concern was she was without backup and if he resists, her chance to apprehend him is gone.
– Rasdashan
2 hours ago
2
2
Assuming the detainer is a police officer, in many jurisdictions this would be considered unnecessary force, i.e. illegal, and would likely result in the detainee having to be released.
– Arkenstein XII
3 hours ago
Assuming the detainer is a police officer, in many jurisdictions this would be considered unnecessary force, i.e. illegal, and would likely result in the detainee having to be released.
– Arkenstein XII
3 hours ago
Is she highly trained at apprehending prisoners? (It sounds like she is, but I'd like to hear it explicitly)
– bruglesco
3 hours ago
Is she highly trained at apprehending prisoners? (It sounds like she is, but I'd like to hear it explicitly)
– bruglesco
3 hours ago
Yes, she is. Her concern was she was without backup and if he resists, her chance to apprehend him is gone.
– Rasdashan
2 hours ago
Yes, she is. Her concern was she was without backup and if he resists, her chance to apprehend him is gone.
– Rasdashan
2 hours ago
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Assuming the detainer is a police officer, in many jurisdictions this would be considered unnecessary force, i.e. illegal, and would likely result in the detainee having to be released.
Police forces in many nations are bound by principles of criminal justice ethics, and in fact, there are laws that police officers must adhere to in order to avoid misconduct.
Your officer is likely fully aware that misconduct will badly affect the case she is working on, so unless her behaviour is driven by personal factors rather than professional ones (e.g. fear, hatred, revenge, prejudice), this is likely too brutal.
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+1 Laws regarding police misconduct might be different in different places. It is actually a very good idea to check what those laws are in the location where the story takes place. If more brutal actions are permitted there, that could make for an interesting story element.
– Galastel
2 hours ago
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The tone of your writing will make the difference
Written out in a cold hard list like that is certainly sounds brutal. MC2 has MC1 at their mercy and yet continues to threaten and abuse them. If you want to portray the brutality of the scene then you don't have a problem. If you didn't intend for it to sound so harsh then you need to look at how you describe their actions.
Why are they doing it?
When a character is truly brutal and cares little for the life of their target then they will show little emotion or even take pleasure in the acts. Writing their behaviour in this way will increase the brutality of the scene.
She uses these tactics because she is smaller than he is and she would lose in a fight. She cannot allow him, at that moment, to consider resisting.
This makes it sound like the motivation is fear. MC2 is afraid of what MC1 will do when they break out and are doing everything they possibly can to prevent that. You need to show your readers that fear, a voice-crack and shaking hand when pointing the gun something that displays that MC2 isn't as confident as their actions appear.
Her concern was she was without backup and if he resists, her chance to apprehend him is gone.
Desperation is a similar motivator to fear. Show how the character doesn't want to do this but feels like they have no choice. This works particularly well if you show us the reason for their desperation, why is this so important to them?
Characters acting out of fear or desperation is something we can emphasize with and will reduce the feeling of brutality in your scene. Potentially you still make one too many threats but if you make it clear that these are hollow threats and MC2 is unlikely to follow through it won't seem so brutal.
A side note, if MC2 is performing an arrest in any kind of official capacity; law-enforcement, military or covert operation, they have certainly crossed the line. The most concerning is the choke-hold leash and the threat of gelding. Everything else is within the bounds of normal arrest behaviour.
The choke-hold is something she rigs so she can safely transport him. She cannot be both guard and driver, so rigs the choke-hold to maintain control during transit
– Rasdashan
2 hours ago
2
@Rasdashan Fair enough, the point is that a police officer still wouldn't do this. Lock them in the boot/trunk of a car maybe if they had no other way to restrain them but choke-hold is pretty brutal. Usually restraining the arms and putting them in the backseat is enough.
– linksassin
2 hours ago
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Justification is a theme for you to explore
You decide what is justified. You decide what gives someone the right to do what she does.
- Do the ends justify the means?
- For the greater good.
- Fear and self-defense. Is it self-defense when she is the pursuer?
- No cause is just enough. As an officer of the law she has a duty to make apprehensions while maintaining the basic human rights of the prisoner.
I find a couple of things unlikely and requiring explanation, if you pursued this. Your officer is highly trained and presumably used to making captures. Or is she? If she is new, unqualified or unskilled in some way that might justify her fear. Your prisoner could also have a reputation that precedes itself. Even the most skilled and trained officer might be afraid when faced against a notorious fugitive. These are pretty drastic extremes, but sometimes that happens in our writing.
One thing struck me though. Something you said in a comment in response to me asking you if she was highly trained.
Yes, she is. Her concern was she was without backup and if he resists,
her chance to apprehend him is gone.
That doesn't sound like she is afraid for her safety. That sounds like she is afraid she might not win.
If she does this just to be sure she wins, because she always gets her man, and they never escape when she does, then she is a sociopath. This is absolutely brutality.
But then again, maybe she needs to get her man because too much is at stake if he escapes. Too many people will die.
Or they live in a police state.
Regardless of which direction you go with, you should research takedown and restraint techniques for people of smaller stature vs people much bigger than them. Something tells me that even if she was okay with brutality,
prisoner is known to be potentially lethal. She is experienced, but feels these measures are required to ensure success and her own safety.
– Rasdashan
2 hours ago
1
@Rasdashan there is a difference between apprehending a known murderer and pursuing Jason Bourne. Many dangerous criminal are potentially lethal. If that alone was justification you would see cops carrying choke collars with their handcuffs.
– bruglesco
2 hours ago
He is a bit more Jason Bourne than known killer.
– Rasdashan
1 hour ago
@Rasdashan Well if she knows that, then yes, maybe.
– bruglesco
1 hour ago
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Assuming the detainer is a police officer, in many jurisdictions this would be considered unnecessary force, i.e. illegal, and would likely result in the detainee having to be released.
Police forces in many nations are bound by principles of criminal justice ethics, and in fact, there are laws that police officers must adhere to in order to avoid misconduct.
Your officer is likely fully aware that misconduct will badly affect the case she is working on, so unless her behaviour is driven by personal factors rather than professional ones (e.g. fear, hatred, revenge, prejudice), this is likely too brutal.
New contributor
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+1 Laws regarding police misconduct might be different in different places. It is actually a very good idea to check what those laws are in the location where the story takes place. If more brutal actions are permitted there, that could make for an interesting story element.
– Galastel
2 hours ago
add a comment |
Assuming the detainer is a police officer, in many jurisdictions this would be considered unnecessary force, i.e. illegal, and would likely result in the detainee having to be released.
Police forces in many nations are bound by principles of criminal justice ethics, and in fact, there are laws that police officers must adhere to in order to avoid misconduct.
Your officer is likely fully aware that misconduct will badly affect the case she is working on, so unless her behaviour is driven by personal factors rather than professional ones (e.g. fear, hatred, revenge, prejudice), this is likely too brutal.
New contributor
3
+1 Laws regarding police misconduct might be different in different places. It is actually a very good idea to check what those laws are in the location where the story takes place. If more brutal actions are permitted there, that could make for an interesting story element.
– Galastel
2 hours ago
add a comment |
Assuming the detainer is a police officer, in many jurisdictions this would be considered unnecessary force, i.e. illegal, and would likely result in the detainee having to be released.
Police forces in many nations are bound by principles of criminal justice ethics, and in fact, there are laws that police officers must adhere to in order to avoid misconduct.
Your officer is likely fully aware that misconduct will badly affect the case she is working on, so unless her behaviour is driven by personal factors rather than professional ones (e.g. fear, hatred, revenge, prejudice), this is likely too brutal.
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Assuming the detainer is a police officer, in many jurisdictions this would be considered unnecessary force, i.e. illegal, and would likely result in the detainee having to be released.
Police forces in many nations are bound by principles of criminal justice ethics, and in fact, there are laws that police officers must adhere to in order to avoid misconduct.
Your officer is likely fully aware that misconduct will badly affect the case she is working on, so unless her behaviour is driven by personal factors rather than professional ones (e.g. fear, hatred, revenge, prejudice), this is likely too brutal.
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+1 Laws regarding police misconduct might be different in different places. It is actually a very good idea to check what those laws are in the location where the story takes place. If more brutal actions are permitted there, that could make for an interesting story element.
– Galastel
2 hours ago
add a comment |
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+1 Laws regarding police misconduct might be different in different places. It is actually a very good idea to check what those laws are in the location where the story takes place. If more brutal actions are permitted there, that could make for an interesting story element.
– Galastel
2 hours ago
3
3
+1 Laws regarding police misconduct might be different in different places. It is actually a very good idea to check what those laws are in the location where the story takes place. If more brutal actions are permitted there, that could make for an interesting story element.
– Galastel
2 hours ago
+1 Laws regarding police misconduct might be different in different places. It is actually a very good idea to check what those laws are in the location where the story takes place. If more brutal actions are permitted there, that could make for an interesting story element.
– Galastel
2 hours ago
add a comment |
The tone of your writing will make the difference
Written out in a cold hard list like that is certainly sounds brutal. MC2 has MC1 at their mercy and yet continues to threaten and abuse them. If you want to portray the brutality of the scene then you don't have a problem. If you didn't intend for it to sound so harsh then you need to look at how you describe their actions.
Why are they doing it?
When a character is truly brutal and cares little for the life of their target then they will show little emotion or even take pleasure in the acts. Writing their behaviour in this way will increase the brutality of the scene.
She uses these tactics because she is smaller than he is and she would lose in a fight. She cannot allow him, at that moment, to consider resisting.
This makes it sound like the motivation is fear. MC2 is afraid of what MC1 will do when they break out and are doing everything they possibly can to prevent that. You need to show your readers that fear, a voice-crack and shaking hand when pointing the gun something that displays that MC2 isn't as confident as their actions appear.
Her concern was she was without backup and if he resists, her chance to apprehend him is gone.
Desperation is a similar motivator to fear. Show how the character doesn't want to do this but feels like they have no choice. This works particularly well if you show us the reason for their desperation, why is this so important to them?
Characters acting out of fear or desperation is something we can emphasize with and will reduce the feeling of brutality in your scene. Potentially you still make one too many threats but if you make it clear that these are hollow threats and MC2 is unlikely to follow through it won't seem so brutal.
A side note, if MC2 is performing an arrest in any kind of official capacity; law-enforcement, military or covert operation, they have certainly crossed the line. The most concerning is the choke-hold leash and the threat of gelding. Everything else is within the bounds of normal arrest behaviour.
The choke-hold is something she rigs so she can safely transport him. She cannot be both guard and driver, so rigs the choke-hold to maintain control during transit
– Rasdashan
2 hours ago
2
@Rasdashan Fair enough, the point is that a police officer still wouldn't do this. Lock them in the boot/trunk of a car maybe if they had no other way to restrain them but choke-hold is pretty brutal. Usually restraining the arms and putting them in the backseat is enough.
– linksassin
2 hours ago
add a comment |
The tone of your writing will make the difference
Written out in a cold hard list like that is certainly sounds brutal. MC2 has MC1 at their mercy and yet continues to threaten and abuse them. If you want to portray the brutality of the scene then you don't have a problem. If you didn't intend for it to sound so harsh then you need to look at how you describe their actions.
Why are they doing it?
When a character is truly brutal and cares little for the life of their target then they will show little emotion or even take pleasure in the acts. Writing their behaviour in this way will increase the brutality of the scene.
She uses these tactics because she is smaller than he is and she would lose in a fight. She cannot allow him, at that moment, to consider resisting.
This makes it sound like the motivation is fear. MC2 is afraid of what MC1 will do when they break out and are doing everything they possibly can to prevent that. You need to show your readers that fear, a voice-crack and shaking hand when pointing the gun something that displays that MC2 isn't as confident as their actions appear.
Her concern was she was without backup and if he resists, her chance to apprehend him is gone.
Desperation is a similar motivator to fear. Show how the character doesn't want to do this but feels like they have no choice. This works particularly well if you show us the reason for their desperation, why is this so important to them?
Characters acting out of fear or desperation is something we can emphasize with and will reduce the feeling of brutality in your scene. Potentially you still make one too many threats but if you make it clear that these are hollow threats and MC2 is unlikely to follow through it won't seem so brutal.
A side note, if MC2 is performing an arrest in any kind of official capacity; law-enforcement, military or covert operation, they have certainly crossed the line. The most concerning is the choke-hold leash and the threat of gelding. Everything else is within the bounds of normal arrest behaviour.
The choke-hold is something she rigs so she can safely transport him. She cannot be both guard and driver, so rigs the choke-hold to maintain control during transit
– Rasdashan
2 hours ago
2
@Rasdashan Fair enough, the point is that a police officer still wouldn't do this. Lock them in the boot/trunk of a car maybe if they had no other way to restrain them but choke-hold is pretty brutal. Usually restraining the arms and putting them in the backseat is enough.
– linksassin
2 hours ago
add a comment |
The tone of your writing will make the difference
Written out in a cold hard list like that is certainly sounds brutal. MC2 has MC1 at their mercy and yet continues to threaten and abuse them. If you want to portray the brutality of the scene then you don't have a problem. If you didn't intend for it to sound so harsh then you need to look at how you describe their actions.
Why are they doing it?
When a character is truly brutal and cares little for the life of their target then they will show little emotion or even take pleasure in the acts. Writing their behaviour in this way will increase the brutality of the scene.
She uses these tactics because she is smaller than he is and she would lose in a fight. She cannot allow him, at that moment, to consider resisting.
This makes it sound like the motivation is fear. MC2 is afraid of what MC1 will do when they break out and are doing everything they possibly can to prevent that. You need to show your readers that fear, a voice-crack and shaking hand when pointing the gun something that displays that MC2 isn't as confident as their actions appear.
Her concern was she was without backup and if he resists, her chance to apprehend him is gone.
Desperation is a similar motivator to fear. Show how the character doesn't want to do this but feels like they have no choice. This works particularly well if you show us the reason for their desperation, why is this so important to them?
Characters acting out of fear or desperation is something we can emphasize with and will reduce the feeling of brutality in your scene. Potentially you still make one too many threats but if you make it clear that these are hollow threats and MC2 is unlikely to follow through it won't seem so brutal.
A side note, if MC2 is performing an arrest in any kind of official capacity; law-enforcement, military or covert operation, they have certainly crossed the line. The most concerning is the choke-hold leash and the threat of gelding. Everything else is within the bounds of normal arrest behaviour.
The tone of your writing will make the difference
Written out in a cold hard list like that is certainly sounds brutal. MC2 has MC1 at their mercy and yet continues to threaten and abuse them. If you want to portray the brutality of the scene then you don't have a problem. If you didn't intend for it to sound so harsh then you need to look at how you describe their actions.
Why are they doing it?
When a character is truly brutal and cares little for the life of their target then they will show little emotion or even take pleasure in the acts. Writing their behaviour in this way will increase the brutality of the scene.
She uses these tactics because she is smaller than he is and she would lose in a fight. She cannot allow him, at that moment, to consider resisting.
This makes it sound like the motivation is fear. MC2 is afraid of what MC1 will do when they break out and are doing everything they possibly can to prevent that. You need to show your readers that fear, a voice-crack and shaking hand when pointing the gun something that displays that MC2 isn't as confident as their actions appear.
Her concern was she was without backup and if he resists, her chance to apprehend him is gone.
Desperation is a similar motivator to fear. Show how the character doesn't want to do this but feels like they have no choice. This works particularly well if you show us the reason for their desperation, why is this so important to them?
Characters acting out of fear or desperation is something we can emphasize with and will reduce the feeling of brutality in your scene. Potentially you still make one too many threats but if you make it clear that these are hollow threats and MC2 is unlikely to follow through it won't seem so brutal.
A side note, if MC2 is performing an arrest in any kind of official capacity; law-enforcement, military or covert operation, they have certainly crossed the line. The most concerning is the choke-hold leash and the threat of gelding. Everything else is within the bounds of normal arrest behaviour.
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The choke-hold is something she rigs so she can safely transport him. She cannot be both guard and driver, so rigs the choke-hold to maintain control during transit
– Rasdashan
2 hours ago
2
@Rasdashan Fair enough, the point is that a police officer still wouldn't do this. Lock them in the boot/trunk of a car maybe if they had no other way to restrain them but choke-hold is pretty brutal. Usually restraining the arms and putting them in the backseat is enough.
– linksassin
2 hours ago
add a comment |
The choke-hold is something she rigs so she can safely transport him. She cannot be both guard and driver, so rigs the choke-hold to maintain control during transit
– Rasdashan
2 hours ago
2
@Rasdashan Fair enough, the point is that a police officer still wouldn't do this. Lock them in the boot/trunk of a car maybe if they had no other way to restrain them but choke-hold is pretty brutal. Usually restraining the arms and putting them in the backseat is enough.
– linksassin
2 hours ago
The choke-hold is something she rigs so she can safely transport him. She cannot be both guard and driver, so rigs the choke-hold to maintain control during transit
– Rasdashan
2 hours ago
The choke-hold is something she rigs so she can safely transport him. She cannot be both guard and driver, so rigs the choke-hold to maintain control during transit
– Rasdashan
2 hours ago
2
2
@Rasdashan Fair enough, the point is that a police officer still wouldn't do this. Lock them in the boot/trunk of a car maybe if they had no other way to restrain them but choke-hold is pretty brutal. Usually restraining the arms and putting them in the backseat is enough.
– linksassin
2 hours ago
@Rasdashan Fair enough, the point is that a police officer still wouldn't do this. Lock them in the boot/trunk of a car maybe if they had no other way to restrain them but choke-hold is pretty brutal. Usually restraining the arms and putting them in the backseat is enough.
– linksassin
2 hours ago
add a comment |
Justification is a theme for you to explore
You decide what is justified. You decide what gives someone the right to do what she does.
- Do the ends justify the means?
- For the greater good.
- Fear and self-defense. Is it self-defense when she is the pursuer?
- No cause is just enough. As an officer of the law she has a duty to make apprehensions while maintaining the basic human rights of the prisoner.
I find a couple of things unlikely and requiring explanation, if you pursued this. Your officer is highly trained and presumably used to making captures. Or is she? If she is new, unqualified or unskilled in some way that might justify her fear. Your prisoner could also have a reputation that precedes itself. Even the most skilled and trained officer might be afraid when faced against a notorious fugitive. These are pretty drastic extremes, but sometimes that happens in our writing.
One thing struck me though. Something you said in a comment in response to me asking you if she was highly trained.
Yes, she is. Her concern was she was without backup and if he resists,
her chance to apprehend him is gone.
That doesn't sound like she is afraid for her safety. That sounds like she is afraid she might not win.
If she does this just to be sure she wins, because she always gets her man, and they never escape when she does, then she is a sociopath. This is absolutely brutality.
But then again, maybe she needs to get her man because too much is at stake if he escapes. Too many people will die.
Or they live in a police state.
Regardless of which direction you go with, you should research takedown and restraint techniques for people of smaller stature vs people much bigger than them. Something tells me that even if she was okay with brutality,
prisoner is known to be potentially lethal. She is experienced, but feels these measures are required to ensure success and her own safety.
– Rasdashan
2 hours ago
1
@Rasdashan there is a difference between apprehending a known murderer and pursuing Jason Bourne. Many dangerous criminal are potentially lethal. If that alone was justification you would see cops carrying choke collars with their handcuffs.
– bruglesco
2 hours ago
He is a bit more Jason Bourne than known killer.
– Rasdashan
1 hour ago
@Rasdashan Well if she knows that, then yes, maybe.
– bruglesco
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Justification is a theme for you to explore
You decide what is justified. You decide what gives someone the right to do what she does.
- Do the ends justify the means?
- For the greater good.
- Fear and self-defense. Is it self-defense when she is the pursuer?
- No cause is just enough. As an officer of the law she has a duty to make apprehensions while maintaining the basic human rights of the prisoner.
I find a couple of things unlikely and requiring explanation, if you pursued this. Your officer is highly trained and presumably used to making captures. Or is she? If she is new, unqualified or unskilled in some way that might justify her fear. Your prisoner could also have a reputation that precedes itself. Even the most skilled and trained officer might be afraid when faced against a notorious fugitive. These are pretty drastic extremes, but sometimes that happens in our writing.
One thing struck me though. Something you said in a comment in response to me asking you if she was highly trained.
Yes, she is. Her concern was she was without backup and if he resists,
her chance to apprehend him is gone.
That doesn't sound like she is afraid for her safety. That sounds like she is afraid she might not win.
If she does this just to be sure she wins, because she always gets her man, and they never escape when she does, then she is a sociopath. This is absolutely brutality.
But then again, maybe she needs to get her man because too much is at stake if he escapes. Too many people will die.
Or they live in a police state.
Regardless of which direction you go with, you should research takedown and restraint techniques for people of smaller stature vs people much bigger than them. Something tells me that even if she was okay with brutality,
prisoner is known to be potentially lethal. She is experienced, but feels these measures are required to ensure success and her own safety.
– Rasdashan
2 hours ago
1
@Rasdashan there is a difference between apprehending a known murderer and pursuing Jason Bourne. Many dangerous criminal are potentially lethal. If that alone was justification you would see cops carrying choke collars with their handcuffs.
– bruglesco
2 hours ago
He is a bit more Jason Bourne than known killer.
– Rasdashan
1 hour ago
@Rasdashan Well if she knows that, then yes, maybe.
– bruglesco
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Justification is a theme for you to explore
You decide what is justified. You decide what gives someone the right to do what she does.
- Do the ends justify the means?
- For the greater good.
- Fear and self-defense. Is it self-defense when she is the pursuer?
- No cause is just enough. As an officer of the law she has a duty to make apprehensions while maintaining the basic human rights of the prisoner.
I find a couple of things unlikely and requiring explanation, if you pursued this. Your officer is highly trained and presumably used to making captures. Or is she? If she is new, unqualified or unskilled in some way that might justify her fear. Your prisoner could also have a reputation that precedes itself. Even the most skilled and trained officer might be afraid when faced against a notorious fugitive. These are pretty drastic extremes, but sometimes that happens in our writing.
One thing struck me though. Something you said in a comment in response to me asking you if she was highly trained.
Yes, she is. Her concern was she was without backup and if he resists,
her chance to apprehend him is gone.
That doesn't sound like she is afraid for her safety. That sounds like she is afraid she might not win.
If she does this just to be sure she wins, because she always gets her man, and they never escape when she does, then she is a sociopath. This is absolutely brutality.
But then again, maybe she needs to get her man because too much is at stake if he escapes. Too many people will die.
Or they live in a police state.
Regardless of which direction you go with, you should research takedown and restraint techniques for people of smaller stature vs people much bigger than them. Something tells me that even if she was okay with brutality,
Justification is a theme for you to explore
You decide what is justified. You decide what gives someone the right to do what she does.
- Do the ends justify the means?
- For the greater good.
- Fear and self-defense. Is it self-defense when she is the pursuer?
- No cause is just enough. As an officer of the law she has a duty to make apprehensions while maintaining the basic human rights of the prisoner.
I find a couple of things unlikely and requiring explanation, if you pursued this. Your officer is highly trained and presumably used to making captures. Or is she? If she is new, unqualified or unskilled in some way that might justify her fear. Your prisoner could also have a reputation that precedes itself. Even the most skilled and trained officer might be afraid when faced against a notorious fugitive. These are pretty drastic extremes, but sometimes that happens in our writing.
One thing struck me though. Something you said in a comment in response to me asking you if she was highly trained.
Yes, she is. Her concern was she was without backup and if he resists,
her chance to apprehend him is gone.
That doesn't sound like she is afraid for her safety. That sounds like she is afraid she might not win.
If she does this just to be sure she wins, because she always gets her man, and they never escape when she does, then she is a sociopath. This is absolutely brutality.
But then again, maybe she needs to get her man because too much is at stake if he escapes. Too many people will die.
Or they live in a police state.
Regardless of which direction you go with, you should research takedown and restraint techniques for people of smaller stature vs people much bigger than them. Something tells me that even if she was okay with brutality,
edited 2 hours ago
answered 2 hours ago
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prisoner is known to be potentially lethal. She is experienced, but feels these measures are required to ensure success and her own safety.
– Rasdashan
2 hours ago
1
@Rasdashan there is a difference between apprehending a known murderer and pursuing Jason Bourne. Many dangerous criminal are potentially lethal. If that alone was justification you would see cops carrying choke collars with their handcuffs.
– bruglesco
2 hours ago
He is a bit more Jason Bourne than known killer.
– Rasdashan
1 hour ago
@Rasdashan Well if she knows that, then yes, maybe.
– bruglesco
1 hour ago
add a comment |
prisoner is known to be potentially lethal. She is experienced, but feels these measures are required to ensure success and her own safety.
– Rasdashan
2 hours ago
1
@Rasdashan there is a difference between apprehending a known murderer and pursuing Jason Bourne. Many dangerous criminal are potentially lethal. If that alone was justification you would see cops carrying choke collars with their handcuffs.
– bruglesco
2 hours ago
He is a bit more Jason Bourne than known killer.
– Rasdashan
1 hour ago
@Rasdashan Well if she knows that, then yes, maybe.
– bruglesco
1 hour ago
prisoner is known to be potentially lethal. She is experienced, but feels these measures are required to ensure success and her own safety.
– Rasdashan
2 hours ago
prisoner is known to be potentially lethal. She is experienced, but feels these measures are required to ensure success and her own safety.
– Rasdashan
2 hours ago
1
1
@Rasdashan there is a difference between apprehending a known murderer and pursuing Jason Bourne. Many dangerous criminal are potentially lethal. If that alone was justification you would see cops carrying choke collars with their handcuffs.
– bruglesco
2 hours ago
@Rasdashan there is a difference between apprehending a known murderer and pursuing Jason Bourne. Many dangerous criminal are potentially lethal. If that alone was justification you would see cops carrying choke collars with their handcuffs.
– bruglesco
2 hours ago
He is a bit more Jason Bourne than known killer.
– Rasdashan
1 hour ago
He is a bit more Jason Bourne than known killer.
– Rasdashan
1 hour ago
@Rasdashan Well if she knows that, then yes, maybe.
– bruglesco
1 hour ago
@Rasdashan Well if she knows that, then yes, maybe.
– bruglesco
1 hour ago
add a comment |
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Assuming the detainer is a police officer, in many jurisdictions this would be considered unnecessary force, i.e. illegal, and would likely result in the detainee having to be released.
– Arkenstein XII
3 hours ago
Is she highly trained at apprehending prisoners? (It sounds like she is, but I'd like to hear it explicitly)
– bruglesco
3 hours ago
Yes, she is. Her concern was she was without backup and if he resists, her chance to apprehend him is gone.
– Rasdashan
2 hours ago