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Did Shadowfax go to Valinor?
Did the Ring Bearers and Gimli die in Valinor?How did Shadowfax 'appear' when Gandalf summoned him?What is the difference between Aman, Valinor, the Undying Lands, etc?How did they determine the music for the songs sung in Peter Jackson's “The Lord of the Rings” and “The Hobbit” film trilogies?What did the Hobbits call the story we know as The Lord of the Rings?Which stones adorned the other rings of Power?Did Frodo meet any of Valar or Maiar when he sailed to Valinor?Who were the three riders that passed Gandalf, Pippin, and Shadowfax?Could Gandalf read minds?Why can't Elves create more Rings?
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I seem to recall that Shadowfax was taken with Gandalf to Valinor, but I have not been able to find a clear reference in the Lord of the Rings. Is there any writing by Tolkien adressing this question?
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I seem to recall that Shadowfax was taken with Gandalf to Valinor, but I have not been able to find a clear reference in the Lord of the Rings. Is there any writing by Tolkien adressing this question?
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I seem to recall that Shadowfax was taken with Gandalf to Valinor, but I have not been able to find a clear reference in the Lord of the Rings. Is there any writing by Tolkien adressing this question?
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Tolkien wrote on this subject in a letter to a fan. It was his belief that Shadowfax did indeed travel with Gandalf, despite it not being mentioned specifically.
I think Shadowfax certainly went with Gandalf [across the Sea], though
this is not stated. I feel it is better not to state everything (and
indeed it is more realistic, since in chronicles and accounts of
‘real’ history, many facts that some enquirer would like to know are
omitted, and the truth has to be discovered or guessed from such
evidence as there is). I should argue so: Shadowfax came of a special
race (II 126, 129, III 346) being as it were an Elvish equivalent of
ordinary horses: his ‘blood’ came from ‘West over Sea’. It would not
be unfitting for him to ‘go West’. Gandalf was not ‘dying’, or going
by a special grace to the Western Land, before passing on ‘beyond the
circles of the world’: he was going home, being plainly one of the
‘immortals’, an angelic emissary of the angelic governors (Valar) of
the Earth. He would take or could take what he loved. Gandalf was last
seen riding Shadowfax (III 276). He must have ridden to the Havens,
and it is inconceivable that he would [have] ridden any beast but
Shadowfax; so Shadowfax must have been there. A chronicler winding up
a long tale, and for the moment moved principally by the sorrow of
those left behind (himself among them!) might omit mention of the
horse; but had the great horse also shared in the grief of sundering,
he could hardly have been forgotten.
Tolkien: Letter 268
answered 5 hours ago
ValorumValorum
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Interesting that this says he must have ridden to the Havens, as in he didn't take a boat like everyone else. Can Shadowfax walk on water? (I mean, okay, you can easily say "a wizard did it" in this case and it wouldn't be the strangest thing that ever occurred in Middle Earth, but still not something that was previously seen...)
– Darrel Hoffman
3 hours ago
@DarrelHoffman Huh? The hobbits walked.
– Brian Gordon
2 hours ago
7
@Darrel The Gray Havens was the port in Middle Earth where the elves got on the ships to travel West.
– Verdan
2 hours ago
The hobbits rode to the Grey Havens, Galadriel rode on a white horse, Elrond probably was on horse too. When they arrive, they see Gandalf and his white horse.
– lfurini
2 hours ago
Okay, my bad - I thought the Grey Havens were the West, and you had to take a ship to get there...
– Darrel Hoffman
1 hour ago
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Tolkien wrote on this subject in a letter to a fan. It was his belief that Shadowfax did indeed travel with Gandalf, despite it not being mentioned specifically.
I think Shadowfax certainly went with Gandalf [across the Sea], though
this is not stated. I feel it is better not to state everything (and
indeed it is more realistic, since in chronicles and accounts of
‘real’ history, many facts that some enquirer would like to know are
omitted, and the truth has to be discovered or guessed from such
evidence as there is). I should argue so: Shadowfax came of a special
race (II 126, 129, III 346) being as it were an Elvish equivalent of
ordinary horses: his ‘blood’ came from ‘West over Sea’. It would not
be unfitting for him to ‘go West’. Gandalf was not ‘dying’, or going
by a special grace to the Western Land, before passing on ‘beyond the
circles of the world’: he was going home, being plainly one of the
‘immortals’, an angelic emissary of the angelic governors (Valar) of
the Earth. He would take or could take what he loved. Gandalf was last
seen riding Shadowfax (III 276). He must have ridden to the Havens,
and it is inconceivable that he would [have] ridden any beast but
Shadowfax; so Shadowfax must have been there. A chronicler winding up
a long tale, and for the moment moved principally by the sorrow of
those left behind (himself among them!) might omit mention of the
horse; but had the great horse also shared in the grief of sundering,
he could hardly have been forgotten.
Tolkien: Letter 268
answered 5 hours ago
ValorumValorum
413k11230123234
Interesting that this says he must have ridden to the Havens, as in he didn't take a boat like everyone else. Can Shadowfax walk on water? (I mean, okay, you can easily say "a wizard did it" in this case and it wouldn't be the strangest thing that ever occurred in Middle Earth, but still not something that was previously seen...)
– Darrel Hoffman
3 hours ago
@DarrelHoffman Huh? The hobbits walked.
– Brian Gordon
2 hours ago
7
@Darrel The Gray Havens was the port in Middle Earth where the elves got on the ships to travel West.
– Verdan
2 hours ago
The hobbits rode to the Grey Havens, Galadriel rode on a white horse, Elrond probably was on horse too. When they arrive, they see Gandalf and his white horse.
– lfurini
2 hours ago
Okay, my bad - I thought the Grey Havens were the West, and you had to take a ship to get there...
– Darrel Hoffman
1 hour ago
|
show 1 more comment
Tolkien wrote on this subject in a letter to a fan. It was his belief that Shadowfax did indeed travel with Gandalf, despite it not being mentioned specifically.
I think Shadowfax certainly went with Gandalf [across the Sea], though
this is not stated. I feel it is better not to state everything (and
indeed it is more realistic, since in chronicles and accounts of
‘real’ history, many facts that some enquirer would like to know are
omitted, and the truth has to be discovered or guessed from such
evidence as there is). I should argue so: Shadowfax came of a special
race (II 126, 129, III 346) being as it were an Elvish equivalent of
ordinary horses: his ‘blood’ came from ‘West over Sea’. It would not
be unfitting for him to ‘go West’. Gandalf was not ‘dying’, or going
by a special grace to the Western Land, before passing on ‘beyond the
circles of the world’: he was going home, being plainly one of the
‘immortals’, an angelic emissary of the angelic governors (Valar) of
the Earth. He would take or could take what he loved. Gandalf was last
seen riding Shadowfax (III 276). He must have ridden to the Havens,
and it is inconceivable that he would [have] ridden any beast but
Shadowfax; so Shadowfax must have been there. A chronicler winding up
a long tale, and for the moment moved principally by the sorrow of
those left behind (himself among them!) might omit mention of the
horse; but had the great horse also shared in the grief of sundering,
he could hardly have been forgotten.
Tolkien: Letter 268
answered 5 hours ago
ValorumValorum
413k11230123234
Interesting that this says he must have ridden to the Havens, as in he didn't take a boat like everyone else. Can Shadowfax walk on water? (I mean, okay, you can easily say "a wizard did it" in this case and it wouldn't be the strangest thing that ever occurred in Middle Earth, but still not something that was previously seen...)
– Darrel Hoffman
3 hours ago
@DarrelHoffman Huh? The hobbits walked.
– Brian Gordon
2 hours ago
7
@Darrel The Gray Havens was the port in Middle Earth where the elves got on the ships to travel West.
– Verdan
2 hours ago
The hobbits rode to the Grey Havens, Galadriel rode on a white horse, Elrond probably was on horse too. When they arrive, they see Gandalf and his white horse.
– lfurini
2 hours ago
Okay, my bad - I thought the Grey Havens were the West, and you had to take a ship to get there...
– Darrel Hoffman
1 hour ago
|
show 1 more comment
Tolkien wrote on this subject in a letter to a fan. It was his belief that Shadowfax did indeed travel with Gandalf, despite it not being mentioned specifically.
I think Shadowfax certainly went with Gandalf [across the Sea], though
this is not stated. I feel it is better not to state everything (and
indeed it is more realistic, since in chronicles and accounts of
‘real’ history, many facts that some enquirer would like to know are
omitted, and the truth has to be discovered or guessed from such
evidence as there is). I should argue so: Shadowfax came of a special
race (II 126, 129, III 346) being as it were an Elvish equivalent of
ordinary horses: his ‘blood’ came from ‘West over Sea’. It would not
be unfitting for him to ‘go West’. Gandalf was not ‘dying’, or going
by a special grace to the Western Land, before passing on ‘beyond the
circles of the world’: he was going home, being plainly one of the
‘immortals’, an angelic emissary of the angelic governors (Valar) of
the Earth. He would take or could take what he loved. Gandalf was last
seen riding Shadowfax (III 276). He must have ridden to the Havens,
and it is inconceivable that he would [have] ridden any beast but
Shadowfax; so Shadowfax must have been there. A chronicler winding up
a long tale, and for the moment moved principally by the sorrow of
those left behind (himself among them!) might omit mention of the
horse; but had the great horse also shared in the grief of sundering,
he could hardly have been forgotten.
Tolkien: Letter 268
answered 5 hours ago
ValorumValorum
413k11230123234
Tolkien wrote on this subject in a letter to a fan. It was his belief that Shadowfax did indeed travel with Gandalf, despite it not being mentioned specifically.
I think Shadowfax certainly went with Gandalf [across the Sea], though
this is not stated. I feel it is better not to state everything (and
indeed it is more realistic, since in chronicles and accounts of
‘real’ history, many facts that some enquirer would like to know are
omitted, and the truth has to be discovered or guessed from such
evidence as there is). I should argue so: Shadowfax came of a special
race (II 126, 129, III 346) being as it were an Elvish equivalent of
ordinary horses: his ‘blood’ came from ‘West over Sea’. It would not
be unfitting for him to ‘go West’. Gandalf was not ‘dying’, or going
by a special grace to the Western Land, before passing on ‘beyond the
circles of the world’: he was going home, being plainly one of the
‘immortals’, an angelic emissary of the angelic governors (Valar) of
the Earth. He would take or could take what he loved. Gandalf was last
seen riding Shadowfax (III 276). He must have ridden to the Havens,
and it is inconceivable that he would [have] ridden any beast but
Shadowfax; so Shadowfax must have been there. A chronicler winding up
a long tale, and for the moment moved principally by the sorrow of
those left behind (himself among them!) might omit mention of the
horse; but had the great horse also shared in the grief of sundering,
he could hardly have been forgotten.
Tolkien: Letter 268
answered 5 hours ago
ValorumValorum
413k11230123234
answered 5 hours ago
ValorumValorum
413k11230123234
answered 5 hours ago
ValorumValorum
413k11230123234
answered 5 hours ago
ValorumValorum
413k11230123234
413k11230123234
Interesting that this says he must have ridden to the Havens, as in he didn't take a boat like everyone else. Can Shadowfax walk on water? (I mean, okay, you can easily say "a wizard did it" in this case and it wouldn't be the strangest thing that ever occurred in Middle Earth, but still not something that was previously seen...)
– Darrel Hoffman
3 hours ago
@DarrelHoffman Huh? The hobbits walked.
– Brian Gordon
2 hours ago
7
@Darrel The Gray Havens was the port in Middle Earth where the elves got on the ships to travel West.
– Verdan
2 hours ago
The hobbits rode to the Grey Havens, Galadriel rode on a white horse, Elrond probably was on horse too. When they arrive, they see Gandalf and his white horse.
– lfurini
2 hours ago
Okay, my bad - I thought the Grey Havens were the West, and you had to take a ship to get there...
– Darrel Hoffman
1 hour ago
|
show 1 more comment
Interesting that this says he must have ridden to the Havens, as in he didn't take a boat like everyone else. Can Shadowfax walk on water? (I mean, okay, you can easily say "a wizard did it" in this case and it wouldn't be the strangest thing that ever occurred in Middle Earth, but still not something that was previously seen...)
– Darrel Hoffman
3 hours ago
@DarrelHoffman Huh? The hobbits walked.
– Brian Gordon
2 hours ago
7
@Darrel The Gray Havens was the port in Middle Earth where the elves got on the ships to travel West.
– Verdan
2 hours ago
The hobbits rode to the Grey Havens, Galadriel rode on a white horse, Elrond probably was on horse too. When they arrive, they see Gandalf and his white horse.
– lfurini
2 hours ago
Okay, my bad - I thought the Grey Havens were the West, and you had to take a ship to get there...
– Darrel Hoffman
1 hour ago
Interesting that this says he must have ridden to the Havens, as in he didn't take a boat like everyone else. Can Shadowfax walk on water? (I mean, okay, you can easily say "a wizard did it" in this case and it wouldn't be the strangest thing that ever occurred in Middle Earth, but still not something that was previously seen...)
– Darrel Hoffman
3 hours ago
Interesting that this says he must have ridden to the Havens, as in he didn't take a boat like everyone else. Can Shadowfax walk on water? (I mean, okay, you can easily say "a wizard did it" in this case and it wouldn't be the strangest thing that ever occurred in Middle Earth, but still not something that was previously seen...)
– Darrel Hoffman
3 hours ago
@DarrelHoffman Huh? The hobbits walked.
– Brian Gordon
2 hours ago
@DarrelHoffman Huh? The hobbits walked.
– Brian Gordon
2 hours ago
7
7
@Darrel The Gray Havens was the port in Middle Earth where the elves got on the ships to travel West.
– Verdan
2 hours ago
@Darrel The Gray Havens was the port in Middle Earth where the elves got on the ships to travel West.
– Verdan
2 hours ago
The hobbits rode to the Grey Havens, Galadriel rode on a white horse, Elrond probably was on horse too. When they arrive, they see Gandalf and his white horse.
– lfurini
2 hours ago
The hobbits rode to the Grey Havens, Galadriel rode on a white horse, Elrond probably was on horse too. When they arrive, they see Gandalf and his white horse.
– lfurini
2 hours ago
Okay, my bad - I thought the Grey Havens were the West, and you had to take a ship to get there...
– Darrel Hoffman
1 hour ago
Okay, my bad - I thought the Grey Havens were the West, and you had to take a ship to get there...
– Darrel Hoffman
1 hour ago
|
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