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CNN Back Propagation without Sigmoid Derivative


Back-propagation through max pooling layersSteps for back propagation of convolutional layer in CNNBasic backpropagation questionDeriving backpropagation equations “natively” in tensor formBack Propagation Using MATLABback propagation in CNNA good reference for the back propagation algorithm?Should there be 'total derivative' symbol in the mathematical representation of back-propagation algorithm's formula?Could someone explain to me how back-prop is done for the generator in a GAN?Questions about Neural Network training (back propagation) in the book PRML (Pattern Recognition and Machine Learning)













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I'm new to CNN and trying to study some MATLAB sample codes (cause I need to know the internal calculation). I recently realized that the sample code I'm using doesn't multiply error by sigmoid's derivative in back propagation. The feed forward process has sigmoid as last layer's activation function so from my understanding, back propagation error = (outputs - target) * sigmoid's derivative(outputs). However, the author intentionally disabled this multiplication with the following code:



if cnn.loss_func == 'cros'
if cnn.layerscnn.no_of_layers.act_func == 'soft'
cnn.CalcLastLayerActDerivative = 0;
elseif cnn.layerscnn.no_of_layers.act_func == 'sigm'
cnn.CalcLastLayerActDerivative = 0;
end

end



My reference code: https://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/fileexchange/59223-convolution-neural-network-simple-code-simple-to-use



When cnn.CalcLastLayerActDerivative = 0, error is defined just as (outputs - target). I tried to initialize cnn.CalcLastLayerActDerivative = 1 so that sigmoid's derivative is considered in back propagation but then I got worse error rate. I'm not sure whether it's just because sigmoid's derivative is in the range [0,0.25] or I'm not understanding back propagation correctly. Does anyone know why this is happening and whether I should add sigmoid's derivative in my calculation?



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    I'm new to CNN and trying to study some MATLAB sample codes (cause I need to know the internal calculation). I recently realized that the sample code I'm using doesn't multiply error by sigmoid's derivative in back propagation. The feed forward process has sigmoid as last layer's activation function so from my understanding, back propagation error = (outputs - target) * sigmoid's derivative(outputs). However, the author intentionally disabled this multiplication with the following code:



    if cnn.loss_func == 'cros'
    if cnn.layerscnn.no_of_layers.act_func == 'soft'
    cnn.CalcLastLayerActDerivative = 0;
    elseif cnn.layerscnn.no_of_layers.act_func == 'sigm'
    cnn.CalcLastLayerActDerivative = 0;
    end

    end



    My reference code: https://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/fileexchange/59223-convolution-neural-network-simple-code-simple-to-use



    When cnn.CalcLastLayerActDerivative = 0, error is defined just as (outputs - target). I tried to initialize cnn.CalcLastLayerActDerivative = 1 so that sigmoid's derivative is considered in back propagation but then I got worse error rate. I'm not sure whether it's just because sigmoid's derivative is in the range [0,0.25] or I'm not understanding back propagation correctly. Does anyone know why this is happening and whether I should add sigmoid's derivative in my calculation?



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      I'm new to CNN and trying to study some MATLAB sample codes (cause I need to know the internal calculation). I recently realized that the sample code I'm using doesn't multiply error by sigmoid's derivative in back propagation. The feed forward process has sigmoid as last layer's activation function so from my understanding, back propagation error = (outputs - target) * sigmoid's derivative(outputs). However, the author intentionally disabled this multiplication with the following code:



      if cnn.loss_func == 'cros'
      if cnn.layerscnn.no_of_layers.act_func == 'soft'
      cnn.CalcLastLayerActDerivative = 0;
      elseif cnn.layerscnn.no_of_layers.act_func == 'sigm'
      cnn.CalcLastLayerActDerivative = 0;
      end

      end



      My reference code: https://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/fileexchange/59223-convolution-neural-network-simple-code-simple-to-use



      When cnn.CalcLastLayerActDerivative = 0, error is defined just as (outputs - target). I tried to initialize cnn.CalcLastLayerActDerivative = 1 so that sigmoid's derivative is considered in back propagation but then I got worse error rate. I'm not sure whether it's just because sigmoid's derivative is in the range [0,0.25] or I'm not understanding back propagation correctly. Does anyone know why this is happening and whether I should add sigmoid's derivative in my calculation?



      Thanks!









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      I'm new to CNN and trying to study some MATLAB sample codes (cause I need to know the internal calculation). I recently realized that the sample code I'm using doesn't multiply error by sigmoid's derivative in back propagation. The feed forward process has sigmoid as last layer's activation function so from my understanding, back propagation error = (outputs - target) * sigmoid's derivative(outputs). However, the author intentionally disabled this multiplication with the following code:



      if cnn.loss_func == 'cros'
      if cnn.layerscnn.no_of_layers.act_func == 'soft'
      cnn.CalcLastLayerActDerivative = 0;
      elseif cnn.layerscnn.no_of_layers.act_func == 'sigm'
      cnn.CalcLastLayerActDerivative = 0;
      end

      end



      My reference code: https://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/fileexchange/59223-convolution-neural-network-simple-code-simple-to-use



      When cnn.CalcLastLayerActDerivative = 0, error is defined just as (outputs - target). I tried to initialize cnn.CalcLastLayerActDerivative = 1 so that sigmoid's derivative is considered in back propagation but then I got worse error rate. I'm not sure whether it's just because sigmoid's derivative is in the range [0,0.25] or I'm not understanding back propagation correctly. Does anyone know why this is happening and whether I should add sigmoid's derivative in my calculation?



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